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Chapter GMW | E30 LS1 (starting on post #1427)

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  • B
    B
    B C
    wrote on last edited by
    #1083

    Arent you running an MLS or o-ringed stock gasket currently?

    Im interested to see where the gasket failed or if the head studs lost a little tension and the head lifted

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    • DrLeadFootD
      DrLeadFootD
      DrLeadFoot
      wrote on last edited by
      #1084

      MLS.

      I've been waiting for this to happen. The last thing that kummrow did that I haven't gotten my hands on to fit the right way.

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           @DrLeadFoot

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      • EarlE
        EarlE
        Earl
        wrote on last edited by
        #1085

        So now what?

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        • patsbimmer1P
          patsbimmer1P
          patsbimmer1
          wrote on last edited by
          #1086

          Well that sucks.  Another one in the win column for Kummrow!

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          • DrLeadFootD
            DrLeadFootD
            DrLeadFoot
            wrote on last edited by
            #1087

            Wrip off the head tonight and try to take the cams out without snapping them.

            Take the head to the machine shop and get it inspected. Order appropriate MLS head gasket after the head is machined if it needs it.

            Install.

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                 @DrLeadFoot

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            • DrLeadFootD
              DrLeadFootD
              DrLeadFoot
              wrote on last edited by
              #1088

              patsbimmer1 said:

              Well that sucks.  Another one in the win column for Kummrow!

              I'll see when I take the head off if the bolts are the same in terms of tightness.

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                   @DrLeadFoot

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              • wasnt m3W
                wasnt m3W
                wasnt m3
                wrote on last edited by
                #1089

                Did you retorque the head studs after a few heat cycles on the engine?

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                • DrLeadFootD
                  DrLeadFootD
                  DrLeadFoot
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1090

                  wasnt m3 said:

                  Did you retorque the head studs after a few heat cycles on the engine?

                  I didn't.

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                       @DrLeadFoot

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                  • wasnt m3W
                    wasnt m3W
                    wasnt m3
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1091

                    I forget the exact time that should be done, but I think they're supposed to be re torqued around 500 miles.

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                    • DrLeadFootD
                      DrLeadFootD
                      DrLeadFoot
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1092

                      Wasn't aware of that...oops

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                           @DrLeadFoot

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                      • GunMetalGreyG
                        GunMetalGreyG
                        GunMetalGrey
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1093

                        ARP doesn't mention anything about a retorque, its actually in their FAQ's saying that you shouldn't need to. Not that it is a horrible idea, but its a heck of a lot of work on these motors. Standard sockets don't fit between the cam trays and head, and getting the VC off is no fun ;)
                        Sucks that it failed, but luckily its not a hard job!

                        ...

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                        • EarlE
                          EarlE
                          Earl
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1094

                          So not coming to Concours Saturday now?

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                          • DrLeadFootD
                            DrLeadFootD
                            DrLeadFoot
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1095

                            I'll be e46in'. Don't get sunburn from that engine light.

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                                 @DrLeadFoot

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                            • R
                              R
                              Rowleym
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1096

                              I gotta wonder why you wouldn't go with a cut ring gasket or o rings? And do you have any logs? Did you ever get rid of that richness? 

                              I would definitely borrow a nice caliper and measure if those bad boys stretched. I'm kind of excited to see what the pistons look like.

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                              sk8 or die

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                              • patsbimmer1P
                                patsbimmer1P
                                patsbimmer1
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1097

                                From what I can see there is no need to re-tighten the head bolts on the engine.  Not according to the replacement and torque procedure at least.

                                2011 e90 M3 - DCT, Borla exhaust, BMW Performance Black Grille, ECS Painted Corners, Ziza Angel Eyes

                                07 335i Stella - sport package, BMS DCI, zhp knob, TMS cf parking brake lever, VRSF downpipes, MHD tune, H&R race springs, other stuff *SOLD*

                                97 328i Lola - sport package, m50 intake manifold, m50 manifold.com install kit, custom CAI, K&N filter, Borla exhaust, FK silverline coilovers, 25.5mm front sway bar, Powerflex front sway bushings, Turner Radiator, fan delete *sold*
                                95 325is *sold*
                                93 nissan 240sx KA-T *sold*

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                                Instagram @patsbimmer1

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                                "burnouts bring babes and babes dont have time for bushings" - Kaiser Rolls

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                                • DrLeadFootD
                                  DrLeadFootD
                                  DrLeadFoot
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1098

                                  There is hardly any room between the 87mm cylinders. Not sure if I can o-ring it

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                                       @DrLeadFoot

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                                  • DrLeadFootD
                                    DrLeadFootD
                                    DrLeadFoot
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1099

                                    I'm still running rich. It drops into the 10s at 4-6k

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                                         @DrLeadFoot

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                                    • R
                                      R
                                      Rowleym
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1100

                                      http://www.cesmotorsport.com/documents/94.html

                                      They have an 87mm cut ring gasket for ya! Everyone is raving about them on BF.C

                                      But yes, you can O ring it still, but that would take a trip to the machine shop. Cut ring is faster/easier.

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                                      • B
                                        B
                                        B C
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1101

                                        I checked my ARP torque after ~20 heat cycles and they had lost a little torque. There is a lot at play when you have that many items stacking up when cold, then subjecting them to multiple heat cycles. I suspect some internal stresses exist when you first mount the cylinder head due to very small misalignments and fasteners causing preloads in different items. After some heat cycling these internal stresses relocate or cause the component to relax and causes a slight torque loss. Just a hypothesis. 

                                        They dont need to be babysat, but checking them after some heat cycles is a requirement for me.

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                                        • DrLeadFootD
                                          DrLeadFootD
                                          DrLeadFoot
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1102

                                          Rowleym said:

                                          http://www.cesmotorsport.com/documents/94.html

                                          They have an 87mm cut ring gasket for ya! Everyone is raving about them on BF.C

                                          But yes, you can O ring it still, but that would take a trip to the machine shop. Cut ring is faster/easier. 

                                          I have a call into them. Going to ask if they have different thicknesses IF I have to resurface the head.

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                                               @DrLeadFoot

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