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Chapter GMW | E30 LS1 (starting on post #1427)

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  • EarlE
    EarlE
    Earl
    wrote on last edited by
    #1085

    So now what?

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    • patsbimmer1P
      patsbimmer1P
      patsbimmer1
      wrote on last edited by
      #1086

      Well that sucks.  Another one in the win column for Kummrow!

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      • DrLeadFootD
        DrLeadFootD
        DrLeadFoot
        wrote on last edited by
        #1087

        Wrip off the head tonight and try to take the cams out without snapping them.

        Take the head to the machine shop and get it inspected. Order appropriate MLS head gasket after the head is machined if it needs it.

        Install.

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             @DrLeadFoot

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        • DrLeadFootD
          DrLeadFootD
          DrLeadFoot
          wrote on last edited by
          #1088

          patsbimmer1 said:

          Well that sucks.  Another one in the win column for Kummrow!

          I'll see when I take the head off if the bolts are the same in terms of tightness.

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               @DrLeadFoot

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          • wasnt m3W
            wasnt m3W
            wasnt m3
            wrote on last edited by
            #1089

            Did you retorque the head studs after a few heat cycles on the engine?

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            • DrLeadFootD
              DrLeadFootD
              DrLeadFoot
              wrote on last edited by
              #1090

              wasnt m3 said:

              Did you retorque the head studs after a few heat cycles on the engine?

              I didn't.

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                   @DrLeadFoot

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              • wasnt m3W
                wasnt m3W
                wasnt m3
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                #1091

                I forget the exact time that should be done, but I think they're supposed to be re torqued around 500 miles.

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                • DrLeadFootD
                  DrLeadFootD
                  DrLeadFoot
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1092

                  Wasn't aware of that...oops

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                  • GunMetalGreyG
                    GunMetalGreyG
                    GunMetalGrey
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1093

                    ARP doesn't mention anything about a retorque, its actually in their FAQ's saying that you shouldn't need to. Not that it is a horrible idea, but its a heck of a lot of work on these motors. Standard sockets don't fit between the cam trays and head, and getting the VC off is no fun ;)
                    Sucks that it failed, but luckily its not a hard job!

                    ...

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                    • EarlE
                      EarlE
                      Earl
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1094

                      So not coming to Concours Saturday now?

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                      • DrLeadFootD
                        DrLeadFootD
                        DrLeadFoot
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1095

                        I'll be e46in'. Don't get sunburn from that engine light.

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                             @DrLeadFoot

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                        • R
                          R
                          Rowleym
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1096

                          I gotta wonder why you wouldn't go with a cut ring gasket or o rings? And do you have any logs? Did you ever get rid of that richness? 

                          I would definitely borrow a nice caliper and measure if those bad boys stretched. I'm kind of excited to see what the pistons look like.

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                          sk8 or die

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                          • patsbimmer1P
                            patsbimmer1P
                            patsbimmer1
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1097

                            From what I can see there is no need to re-tighten the head bolts on the engine.  Not according to the replacement and torque procedure at least.

                            2011 e90 M3 - DCT, Borla exhaust, BMW Performance Black Grille, ECS Painted Corners, Ziza Angel Eyes

                            07 335i Stella - sport package, BMS DCI, zhp knob, TMS cf parking brake lever, VRSF downpipes, MHD tune, H&R race springs, other stuff *SOLD*

                            97 328i Lola - sport package, m50 intake manifold, m50 manifold.com install kit, custom CAI, K&N filter, Borla exhaust, FK silverline coilovers, 25.5mm front sway bar, Powerflex front sway bushings, Turner Radiator, fan delete *sold*
                            95 325is *sold*
                            93 nissan 240sx KA-T *sold*

                            BMWCCA #473306

                            Instagram @patsbimmer1

                            AKA- HALLWAY PAT

                            "burnouts bring babes and babes dont have time for bushings" - Kaiser Rolls

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                            • DrLeadFootD
                              DrLeadFootD
                              DrLeadFoot
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1098

                              There is hardly any room between the 87mm cylinders. Not sure if I can o-ring it

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                              • DrLeadFootD
                                DrLeadFootD
                                DrLeadFoot
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1099

                                I'm still running rich. It drops into the 10s at 4-6k

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                                     @DrLeadFoot

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                                • R
                                  R
                                  Rowleym
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1100

                                  http://www.cesmotorsport.com/documents/94.html

                                  They have an 87mm cut ring gasket for ya! Everyone is raving about them on BF.C

                                  But yes, you can O ring it still, but that would take a trip to the machine shop. Cut ring is faster/easier.

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                                  • B
                                    B
                                    B C
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1101

                                    I checked my ARP torque after ~20 heat cycles and they had lost a little torque. There is a lot at play when you have that many items stacking up when cold, then subjecting them to multiple heat cycles. I suspect some internal stresses exist when you first mount the cylinder head due to very small misalignments and fasteners causing preloads in different items. After some heat cycling these internal stresses relocate or cause the component to relax and causes a slight torque loss. Just a hypothesis. 

                                    They dont need to be babysat, but checking them after some heat cycles is a requirement for me.

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                                    • DrLeadFootD
                                      DrLeadFootD
                                      DrLeadFoot
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1102

                                      Rowleym said:

                                      http://www.cesmotorsport.com/documents/94.html

                                      They have an 87mm cut ring gasket for ya! Everyone is raving about them on BF.C

                                      But yes, you can O ring it still, but that would take a trip to the machine shop. Cut ring is faster/easier. 

                                      I have a call into them. Going to ask if they have different thicknesses IF I have to resurface the head.

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                                           @DrLeadFoot

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                                      • R
                                        R
                                        Rowleym
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1103

                                        Give them a call! But they have different thicknesses for sure, and you have to resurface the head for sure as well.

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                                        • R
                                          R
                                          Rowleym
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1104

                                          I also agree with snap. Maybe you don't need to re torque on most applications, but I'd say this is one of those applications where it's always good to take the extra precaution.

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