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Replacing seals in my M20

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  • B
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    B C
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    #23

    If it WAS Automotive Supply then you would know instantly from the head being machined down 2000 thousandths of an inch in which your valve heads would be machined right off.

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    • 6670charger6
      6670charger6
      6670charger
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      Found out the shop is Kramer & Ridge. They have found that the head is damaged to the point that it would probably have to be machined quite a bit. They are suggesting replacing it. Anyone have a decent 325 head that would work well on an "I" engine, or recommendations on which one to look for?

      88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

      66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

      Appleton, WI

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      • 6670charger6
        6670charger6
        6670charger
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        Well, at sort of a stand-still for now on the project. Need to find a new head optimally as I don't have faith that the current one can be repaired and surfaced well enough to make it work. That said, there don't seem to be many heads out there for much under $450. Gonna have to wait a few weeks until my wife gets home from her trip to Switzerland that she and her family have been planning for months, and maybe then I can get Humpty Dumpty back together again.

        My fallback options are to either sell the car as-is and hope to get something decent for it considering its overall condition, or else part it out.

        Eric

        88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

        66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

        Appleton, WI

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        • EarlE
          EarlE
          Earl
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          Definitely not grounds to part out the car lol.

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          • GunMetalGreyG
            GunMetalGreyG
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            #27

            What is said damage to the head? 
            Most certainly not grounds for a part out.

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            • straight6pwrS
              straight6pwrS
              straight6pwr
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              #28

              just go for it! tearing down an m20 to the head is simple enough to do again in the future if it doesnt work out. seems like a win over selling the car!!

              Dan
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              • 6670charger6
                6670charger6
                6670charger
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                #29

                straight6pwr said:

                just go for it! tearing down an m20 to the head is simple enough to do again in the future if it doesnt work out. seems like a win over selling the car!!

                Selling and parting aren't my first choices. The problem is that this is my DD and if I can't get it on the road by the time the snow flies, I need a car. I'm not driving my 66 Charger in WI winters, and I don't have the money or space for another car to DD while the E30 sits.

                I'm sure I'll find something, it's just a matter of what and when.

                88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                Appleton, WI

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                • 6670charger6
                  6670charger6
                  6670charger
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                  GunMetalGrey said:

                  What is said damage to the head? 

                  Most certainly not grounds for a part out. 

                  Said head damage is that it has a small nick on the undersurface that has to be welded, but it's also warped. The shop felt that in order to surface it enough to use it would require a hugely thick head gasket. Not sure I want to have to rely on a gasket to obtain proper clearance for the pistons and valves.

                  88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                  66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                  Appleton, WI

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                  • 6670charger6
                    6670charger6
                    6670charger
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                    #31

                    Well, decided to pop for the 855 casting head that was up for sale on Ebay. Not the place I would have preferred to buy, but since everything else I found anywhere was going for around $500 or more, $299 seemed pretty reasonable assuming that the thing isn't junk. I guess I'll find out for sure when I received it and take it in to get it surfaced.

                    88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                    66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                    Appleton, WI

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                    • EarlE
                      EarlE
                      Earl
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                      Did you call any of the larger parts recyclers in Wisconsin? One of them would be bound to have one

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                      • YoungCRY
                        YoungCRY
                        YoungCR
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                        Car-part.com would have all those listings.

                        Chris Young
                        BMWCCA #458972
                        1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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                        • 6670charger6
                          6670charger6
                          6670charger
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                          #34

                          Should have the new head sometime this week. May have to wait another week to get it surfaced as it will have to be disassembled in order to do so. Not sure if I have the tools or knowledge to take out and re-install valves myself.

                          88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                          66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                          Appleton, WI

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                          • 6670charger6
                            6670charger6
                            6670charger
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                            #35

                            My Ebay head arrived on Friday. Off to the machine shop on Tuesday and hopefully begin the process of re-assembly later this week!

                            88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                            66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                            Appleton, WI

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                            • 6670charger6
                              6670charger6
                              6670charger
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                              #36

                              Well, hope to get started on re-assembly this weekend and maybe on the road by Monday. Any suggestions for a newbie to head gasket replacement regarding setting the gasket and timing?

                              Got new head bolts, took a tap to each of the bolt holes to clean them up. All holes are dry and I took my parts retriever magnet to each of the holes to fish out any metal shavings from the tap. Took a razor blade to the top of the block and cleaned all the remnants of the old gasket, and cleaned the front of the block to set myself up for success on the water pump.

                              88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                              66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                              Appleton, WI

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                              • 6670charger6
                                6670charger6
                                6670charger
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                                #37

                                Weekend wasn't engine re-assembly friendly. I did, however, manage to get the head situated on the block last night with bypass hose reconnected and head bolts turned in just enough to have the caps flush with the metal. Today comes head bolt torqueing, valve adjustment, exhaust manifold attachment and hopefully thermostat housing and hose attachment.

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                                88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                                66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                                Appleton, WI

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                                • 6670charger6
                                  6670charger6
                                  6670charger
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                                  #38

                                  OK. Have the head bolts torqued to 22 ft-lb, and then torqued 90 degrees twice. I just got my days muscle resistance and cardio workout in (at least resistance exercise for my right arm anyway). Remaining goals for today are exhaust manifold re-attach, thermostat housing re-attach and hoses.

                                  88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                                  66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                                  Appleton, WI

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                                  • jc43089J
                                    jc43089J
                                    jc43089
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                                    It is quite a workout installing a head. Looking good!

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                                    • 6670charger6
                                      6670charger6
                                      6670charger
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                                      A few more pics from yesterday. Got the intake and valve body on, as well as the exhaust manifolds connected. Today, got the valve body torqued in, the throttle cables attached, the thermostat housing attached, and the hoses for it that were in the car re-attached to it. Plugged in the fuel injectors, fuel lines and thermostat cables, and pretty much got the left side of the engine done save for the bellows, MAF and air box. Also got the new water pump and gasket attached finger tight. Hope to torque the water pump bolts and get most if not all of the timing belt in tomorrow. Might even get him on the road!!

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                                      88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                                      66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                                      Appleton, WI

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                                        6670charger6
                                        6670charger
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                                        Made really good progress on Friday. Got the timing belt on and nearly complete. Only thing left is to put the fan on and put the coolant in, then hope that it starts and runs right.

                                        I assume that putting the antifreeze in goes like usual; pour in through overflow tank with engine running, heater defroster on and bleed screw cracked? Haven't refilled a coolant-less engine in quite a while.

                                        88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                                        66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                                        Appleton, WI

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                                          6670charger6
                                          6670charger
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                                          Made really good progress on Friday. Got the timing belt on and nearly complete. Only thing left is to put the fan on and put the coolant in, then hope that it starts and runs right.

                                          I assume that putting the antifreeze in goes like usual; pour in through overflow tank with engine running, heater defroster on and bleed screw cracked? Haven't refilled a coolant-less engine in quite a while.

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                                          88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                                          66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                                          Appleton, WI

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