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Replacing seals in my M20

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  • 6670charger6
    6670charger6
    6670charger
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    #15

    Well, got started today on the head gasket. Got as far as getting the timing belt removed, valve cover off, and the throttle cables and throttle body removed from the intake. Tomorrow comes removal of the exhaust manifolds and then the head, then removal of the intake and other items from the head so it can go in for surfacing. The only pesty thing so far is trying to remove the hex bolt that attaches the Crankshaft position sensor. Hoping that removing the head will create more clearance for a vise grips to work. The hex part has stripped.

    Tomorrow will also begin the cleaning process for the block and engine bay. Want this puppy clean when I put it together.

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    88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

    66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

    Appleton, WI

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    • B
      B
      B C
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      Bring me all the crabs.

      Did you make sure to forget to align the cam sprocket and crank at TDC like some of us do?

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      • 6670charger6
        6670charger6
        6670charger
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        #17

        Snap said:

        Bring me all the crabs. Did you make sure to forget to align the cam sprocket and crank at TDC like some of us do?

        Actually I didn't. I have a pretty good DYI from Bimmerforums. The car won't move so the bottom end will stay put. The only thing I'll have to do is make sure I have the top end set right before I put the head back on, and then verify again. My main concern is making sure I get all the various hoses reconnected to the right things. I managed to get most of them marked with tape. Have one or two not.

        88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

        66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

        Appleton, WI

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        • 6670charger6
          6670charger6
          6670charger
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          #18

          Got the head loose yesterday. Don't have it out of the car yet as I ran out of time before we had to take our son for high school registration and then get dinner. Today will pull it out of the car and disassemble the intake from it. The exhaust mani nuts came off really easy which was the part I was dreading most. Then the huge cleaning job as there is oil and grease all over everywhere. Somewhere in there is also the front crankshaft seal. Gonna leave the rear one for the shop if it needs to be done, as I'm not going to deal with trying to pull the trans in the driveway. Wouldn't mind it on a rack, but not going to deal with wrestling a transmission under a car with only three feet of wiggle room.

          So far everything has come apart really well. Hopefully reassembly goes as well. I'll post a few more pics later today after I get the head out of the car.

          88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

          66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

          Appleton, WI

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          • jc43089J
            jc43089J
            jc43089
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            Good work!

            Sent from my potato phone.

            2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
            3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
            '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

            '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

            '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
            '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
            '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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            • 6670charger6
              6670charger6
              6670charger
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              #20

              Got the head out yesterday and off to the shop for surfacing. Now comes the cleaning and painting. Won't get to the reassembly until next week as several parts aren't scheduled to arrive until MON/TUE. Have plenty of cleaning to keep me busy though.

              Everything came apart astoundingly easily, even the exhaust mani nuts. Did have cause for a near heart attack yesterday though. I was having a problem getting the torx screw that holds the crank position sensor out of the holder and so decided to tap it with a hammer. Two taps and the whole thing broke off! For about five seconds I had thought that the head was shot, thinking that the mount was cast into the head, until I realized that the holder was bolted on. Called BMW and they actually had one they could get for about $7.

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              88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

              66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

              Appleton, WI

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              • GunMetalGreyG
                GunMetalGreyG
                GunMetalGrey
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                #21

                Where did you take the head to be machined? 
                If it is Automotive Supply I would call them up and tell them not to touch it. 
                They have done nothing but ruin parts that I or others have brought there.

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                • 6670charger6
                  6670charger6
                  6670charger
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #22

                  GunMetalGrey said:

                  Where did you take the head to be machined? 

                  If it is Automotive Supply I would call them up and tell them not to touch it. 

                  They have done nothing but ruin parts that I or others have brought there. 

                  Dropped it off with my Indy down the street. They sent it out to a shop they trust. Don't know the name. I'm sure it wasn't Automotive Supply, though.

                  88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                  66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                  Appleton, WI

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                  • B
                    B
                    B C
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                    #23

                    If it WAS Automotive Supply then you would know instantly from the head being machined down 2000 thousandths of an inch in which your valve heads would be machined right off.

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                    • 6670charger6
                      6670charger6
                      6670charger
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                      #24

                      Found out the shop is Kramer & Ridge. They have found that the head is damaged to the point that it would probably have to be machined quite a bit. They are suggesting replacing it. Anyone have a decent 325 head that would work well on an "I" engine, or recommendations on which one to look for?

                      88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                      66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                      Appleton, WI

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                      • 6670charger6
                        6670charger6
                        6670charger
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                        Well, at sort of a stand-still for now on the project. Need to find a new head optimally as I don't have faith that the current one can be repaired and surfaced well enough to make it work. That said, there don't seem to be many heads out there for much under $450. Gonna have to wait a few weeks until my wife gets home from her trip to Switzerland that she and her family have been planning for months, and maybe then I can get Humpty Dumpty back together again.

                        My fallback options are to either sell the car as-is and hope to get something decent for it considering its overall condition, or else part it out.

                        Eric

                        88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                        66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                        Appleton, WI

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                        • EarlE
                          EarlE
                          Earl
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                          Definitely not grounds to part out the car lol.

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                          • GunMetalGreyG
                            GunMetalGreyG
                            GunMetalGrey
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                            What is said damage to the head? 
                            Most certainly not grounds for a part out.

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                            • straight6pwrS
                              straight6pwrS
                              straight6pwr
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                              just go for it! tearing down an m20 to the head is simple enough to do again in the future if it doesnt work out. seems like a win over selling the car!!

                              Dan
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                              • 6670charger6
                                6670charger6
                                6670charger
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                                #29

                                straight6pwr said:

                                just go for it! tearing down an m20 to the head is simple enough to do again in the future if it doesnt work out. seems like a win over selling the car!!

                                Selling and parting aren't my first choices. The problem is that this is my DD and if I can't get it on the road by the time the snow flies, I need a car. I'm not driving my 66 Charger in WI winters, and I don't have the money or space for another car to DD while the E30 sits.

                                I'm sure I'll find something, it's just a matter of what and when.

                                88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                                66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                                Appleton, WI

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                                • 6670charger6
                                  6670charger6
                                  6670charger
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                                  #30

                                  GunMetalGrey said:

                                  What is said damage to the head? 

                                  Most certainly not grounds for a part out. 

                                  Said head damage is that it has a small nick on the undersurface that has to be welded, but it's also warped. The shop felt that in order to surface it enough to use it would require a hugely thick head gasket. Not sure I want to have to rely on a gasket to obtain proper clearance for the pistons and valves.

                                  88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                                  66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                                  Appleton, WI

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                                  • 6670charger6
                                    6670charger6
                                    6670charger
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                                    Well, decided to pop for the 855 casting head that was up for sale on Ebay. Not the place I would have preferred to buy, but since everything else I found anywhere was going for around $500 or more, $299 seemed pretty reasonable assuming that the thing isn't junk. I guess I'll find out for sure when I received it and take it in to get it surfaced.

                                    88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                                    66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                                    Appleton, WI

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                                    • EarlE
                                      EarlE
                                      Earl
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                                      Did you call any of the larger parts recyclers in Wisconsin? One of them would be bound to have one

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                                      • YoungCRY
                                        YoungCRY
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                                        Car-part.com would have all those listings.

                                        Chris Young
                                        BMWCCA #458972
                                        1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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                                        • 6670charger6
                                          6670charger6
                                          6670charger
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                                          #34

                                          Should have the new head sometime this week. May have to wait another week to get it surfaced as it will have to be disassembled in order to do so. Not sure if I have the tools or knowledge to take out and re-install valves myself.

                                          88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                                          66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                                          Appleton, WI

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