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    Boris3
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    #273

    Hmm, not low at all. Those must be some wild elevation changes.  Maybe it's the picture or my eyes that makes your front negative camber look pretty intense.  

    Get underneath the car and take a look for scrapes. My skidplate looks like an angry tiger went after it with claw gouges in the sheet metal. I'm at 525/700.

    1990 325i racecar (ITS, former Spec E30); 2004 330i ZHP

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    • KaiserRollsK
      KaiserRollsK
      KaiserRolls
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      #274

      Boris3 said:

      Hmm, not low at all. Those must be some wild elevation changes.  Maybe it's the picture or my eyes that makes your front negative camber look pretty intense.  

      Get underneath the car and take a look for scrapes. My skidplate looks like an angry tiger went after it with claw gouges in the sheet metal. I'm at 525/700.  

      It’s the stupid iPhone picture. I’m like -2.9° in the front 

      Planned on checking the plate out, it already has a bunch of scrapes so it might be hard to discern which are Shawano related haha

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      • GunMetalGreyG
        GunMetalGreyG
        GunMetalGrey
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        #275

        Man, you've always had the best sounding E30's.
        New wheels look great!

        ...

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        • YoungCRY
          YoungCRY
          YoungCR
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          #276

          KaiserRolls said:

          l cant get the YouTube vid to embed for whatever reason, probably because it’s unlisted(?)

          Fixed, I adjusted the embedded content width to 800px from 500px. Youtube was requesting 560px haha. Car sounds great! I should really come up to Shawano and watch being its 40 min away.

          Chris Young
          BMWCCA #458972
          1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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          • KaiserRollsK
            KaiserRollsK
            KaiserRolls
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            #277

            YoungCR said:

            Fixed, I adjusted the embedded content width to 800px from 500px. Youtube was requesting 560px haha. Car sounds great! I should really come up to Shawano and watch being its 40 min away.

            Thanks Chris! Once they start allowing spectators/ride alongs I think it would be worth it.

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            • KaiserRollsK
              KaiserRollsK
              KaiserRolls
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              #278

              Well, measured the breakaway torque of the diff over my lunch...ended up ordering a 3 clutch setup from Thayer Motorsport and everything I need to replace the leaky input shaft seal. Should be a fun project

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                Boris3
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                #279

                What was the breakaway #?

                1990 325i racecar (ITS, former Spec E30); 2004 330i ZHP

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                • KaiserRollsK
                  KaiserRollsK
                  KaiserRolls
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                  #280

                  Boris3 said:

                  What was the breakaway #?

                  40ish on a cold diff. I noticed throughout each run it would slip more and more. Based on what I could find on metric mechanic for a 2 clutch diff w/45° ramp angle in good shape It should be around 58ftlbs.

                  75DA3EB6-7E25-4F1E-828A-A680052F947A.jpeg
                   

                  Doesn’t spec e30 cap it around 65ftlbs?

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                  • HipMFH
                    HipMFH
                    HipMF
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                    #281

                    KaiserRolls said:

                    40ish on a cold diff. I noticed throughout each run it would slip more and more. Based on what I could find on metric mechanic for a 2 clutch diff w/45° ramp angle in good shape It should be around 58ftlbs.

                    75DA3EB6-7E25-4F1E-828A-A680052F947A.jpeg
                     

                    Doesn’t spec e30 cap it around 65ftlbs?

                    Science!

                    I wonder why the MM units have a lower breakaway torque though?

                    I've had this happen a couple times, but I just figured it was just a compromise with F/R handling bias. You could get more weight on the inside rear by removing the rear sway bar, but yeah, no thanks.

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                    • KaiserRollsK
                      KaiserRollsK
                      KaiserRolls
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                      #282

                      HipMF said:

                      Science!

                      I wonder why the MM units have a lower breakaway torque though?

                      I've had this happen a couple times, but I just figured it was just a compromise with F/R handling bias. You could get more weight on the inside rear by removing the rear sway bar, but yeah, no thanks.

                      Ramp angle & less initial lockup is my guess

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                        Boris3
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                        #283

                        KaiserRolls said:

                        Doesn’t spec e30 cap it around 65ftlbs?

                        Yep that's why I asked. I was curious.

                        Per the latest rule set: test "at the center hub nut, using a 30mm or 32mm socket and commercially available ½” torque wrench. The car will be placed on solid pavement, the right side of the car will be jacked up until the right rear tire is free from the pavement, the transmission will be placed in neutral, and the parking brake, if present, will be released. The torque wrench will be placed at the nine o’clock position with the socket on the center nut. The torque wrench will be set at 65 lb.-ft. and pushed down.If the differential does not breakaway prior to the torque wrench “breaking away,” a second and similar style torque wrench from an impartial party shall be used in a second test, immediately following the first test. If the differential does not breakaway using the second torque wrench, the car will be disqualified from the preceding race and the DQ will be noted in the car’s logbook."

                        I replaced my original after a wreck in 2014 with a used 3.73 only to find that it tested at 44ftlbs. Not good. My current one is a used Korman-built 3.73 that tests at 65ftlb. Much better.

                        1990 325i racecar (ITS, former Spec E30); 2004 330i ZHP

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                        • KaiserRollsK
                          KaiserRollsK
                          KaiserRolls
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                          #284

                          Boris3 said:

                          Yep that's why I asked. I was curious.

                          Per the latest rule set: test "at the center hub nut, using a 30mm or 32mm socket and commercially available ½” torque wrench. The car will be placed on solid pavement, the right side of the car will be jacked up until the right rear tire is free from the pavement, the transmission will be placed in neutral, and the parking brake, if present, will be released. The torque wrench will be placed at the nine o’clock position with the socket on the center nut. The torque wrench will be set at 65 lb.-ft. and pushed down.If the differential does not breakaway prior to the torque wrench “breaking away,” a second and similar style torque wrench from an impartial party shall be used in a second test, immediately following the first test. If the differential does not breakaway using the second torque wrench, the car will be disqualified from the preceding race and the DQ will be noted in the car’s logbook."

                          I replaced my original after a wreck in 2014 with a used 3.73 only to find that it tested at 44ftlbs. Not good. My current one is a used Korman-built 3.73 that tests at 65ftlb. Much better.  

                          Phew, glad I tested it correctly lol. 
                          also glad to hear you could feel how sloppy it was around 40ish, confirms my suspicions.

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                          • HipMFH
                            HipMFH
                            HipMF
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                            #285

                            KaiserRolls said:

                            Ramp angle

                            Hmm. Learned something new today.

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                            • KaiserRollsK
                              KaiserRollsK
                              KaiserRolls
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                              #286

                              HipMF said:

                              Hmm. Learned something new today.

                              Ever since Sunday I have been trying to school myself in differentials. It’s mostly black magic and gear lube

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                                B C
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                                #287

                                there was once the most elaborate e30 m3 restoration thread on r3v maybe 7-8 years ago which I remember having great detail for the diff rebuild. Its so nice that EVERYTHING on a BMW is so well documented with multiple sources, so here’s the next best thing I have found.

                                http://buildraceparty.com/diy-tech-how-to-rebuild-a-bmw-e30-differential/

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                                • KaiserRollsK
                                  KaiserRollsK
                                  KaiserRolls
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                                  #288

                                  B C said:

                                  there was once the most elaborate e30 m3 restoration thread on r3v maybe 7-8 years ago which I remember having great detail for the diff rebuild. Its so nice that EVERYTHING on a BMW is so well documented with multiple sources, so here’s the next best thing I have found.

                                  http://buildraceparty.com/diy-tech-how-to-rebuild-a-bmw-e30-differential/
                                   

                                  I’ll be using that one, Thayer’s instructions and copious amounts of photos. @AsparagusMike just recently did his as well and has some photos.  
                                   

                                  this one has a helpful parts explosion and then turns into an ad for MM. 

                                  https://metricmechanic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Differentials.pdf

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                                  • KaiserRollsK
                                    KaiserRollsK
                                    KaiserRolls
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                                    #289

                                    I also forgot to mention I ended up going with the “performance” 3 clutch setup instead of the “street” 3 clutch setup. I was worried about too much lockup (similar preload as a 2 clutch, but now with 3 discs) inducing understeer on turn-in 

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                                    • KaiserRollsK
                                      KaiserRollsK
                                      KaiserRolls
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                                      #290

                                      This may seem dumb but I finally found a usb charger that doesn’t look like a giant tumor with 6 bright LEDs sticking 8” off the console. 
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                                      https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00M6QODH2?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

                                      diff refresh parts are slowly rolling in as well. Hopefully have everything by Tuesday

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                                        B C
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                                        #291

                                        Much more useful than a cigar lighter

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                                        • SteelBlueS
                                          SteelBlueS
                                          SteelBlue
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                                          #292

                                          B C said:

                                          Much more useful than a cigar lighter

                                          You don't smoke cubans in your E30?

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