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  • KaiserRollsK
    KaiserRollsK
    KaiserRolls
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    #270

    B C said:

    It sounds soo good 😍

    I’m really happy with the BW 3” exhaust

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      Boris3
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      Bottoming out on the skid plate? Mine has saved me but that's skating over rumble strips and slamming onto the concrete gator teeth on track. What spring rates are you running and what's your ride height?

      1990 325i racecar (ITS, former Spec E30); 2004 330i ZHP

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      • KaiserRollsK
        KaiserRollsK
        KaiserRolls
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        Boris3 said:

        Bottoming out on the skid plate? Mine has saved me but that's skating over rumble strips and slamming onto the concrete gator teeth on track. What spring rates are you running and what's your ride height?

        You can hear it in the video around 57/58 seconds. 8k/10k rates (450ish/570ish lbs)

        here’s the ride height. As I mentioned it really only happens on the abrupt elevation changes at Shawano. Also I’m just assuming it’s the skid plate as nothing else is that low and I have no evidence of tires rubbing on anything or exhaust hitting 

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          Boris3
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          Hmm, not low at all. Those must be some wild elevation changes.  Maybe it's the picture or my eyes that makes your front negative camber look pretty intense.  

          Get underneath the car and take a look for scrapes. My skidplate looks like an angry tiger went after it with claw gouges in the sheet metal. I'm at 525/700.

          1990 325i racecar (ITS, former Spec E30); 2004 330i ZHP

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          • KaiserRollsK
            KaiserRollsK
            KaiserRolls
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            #274

            Boris3 said:

            Hmm, not low at all. Those must be some wild elevation changes.  Maybe it's the picture or my eyes that makes your front negative camber look pretty intense.  

            Get underneath the car and take a look for scrapes. My skidplate looks like an angry tiger went after it with claw gouges in the sheet metal. I'm at 525/700.  

            It’s the stupid iPhone picture. I’m like -2.9° in the front 

            Planned on checking the plate out, it already has a bunch of scrapes so it might be hard to discern which are Shawano related haha

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            • GunMetalGreyG
              GunMetalGreyG
              GunMetalGrey
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              #275

              Man, you've always had the best sounding E30's.
              New wheels look great!

              ...

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              • YoungCRY
                YoungCRY
                YoungCR
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                KaiserRolls said:

                l cant get the YouTube vid to embed for whatever reason, probably because it’s unlisted(?)

                Fixed, I adjusted the embedded content width to 800px from 500px. Youtube was requesting 560px haha. Car sounds great! I should really come up to Shawano and watch being its 40 min away.

                Chris Young
                BMWCCA #458972
                1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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                • KaiserRollsK
                  KaiserRollsK
                  KaiserRolls
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                  YoungCR said:

                  Fixed, I adjusted the embedded content width to 800px from 500px. Youtube was requesting 560px haha. Car sounds great! I should really come up to Shawano and watch being its 40 min away.

                  Thanks Chris! Once they start allowing spectators/ride alongs I think it would be worth it.

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                  • KaiserRollsK
                    KaiserRollsK
                    KaiserRolls
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                    #278

                    Well, measured the breakaway torque of the diff over my lunch...ended up ordering a 3 clutch setup from Thayer Motorsport and everything I need to replace the leaky input shaft seal. Should be a fun project

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                      Boris3
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                      What was the breakaway #?

                      1990 325i racecar (ITS, former Spec E30); 2004 330i ZHP

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                      • KaiserRollsK
                        KaiserRollsK
                        KaiserRolls
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                        Boris3 said:

                        What was the breakaway #?

                        40ish on a cold diff. I noticed throughout each run it would slip more and more. Based on what I could find on metric mechanic for a 2 clutch diff w/45° ramp angle in good shape It should be around 58ftlbs.

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                        Doesn’t spec e30 cap it around 65ftlbs?

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                        • HipMFH
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                          HipMF
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                          KaiserRolls said:

                          40ish on a cold diff. I noticed throughout each run it would slip more and more. Based on what I could find on metric mechanic for a 2 clutch diff w/45° ramp angle in good shape It should be around 58ftlbs.

                          75DA3EB6-7E25-4F1E-828A-A680052F947A.jpeg
                           

                          Doesn’t spec e30 cap it around 65ftlbs?

                          Science!

                          I wonder why the MM units have a lower breakaway torque though?

                          I've had this happen a couple times, but I just figured it was just a compromise with F/R handling bias. You could get more weight on the inside rear by removing the rear sway bar, but yeah, no thanks.

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                          • KaiserRollsK
                            KaiserRollsK
                            KaiserRolls
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                            HipMF said:

                            Science!

                            I wonder why the MM units have a lower breakaway torque though?

                            I've had this happen a couple times, but I just figured it was just a compromise with F/R handling bias. You could get more weight on the inside rear by removing the rear sway bar, but yeah, no thanks.

                            Ramp angle & less initial lockup is my guess

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                              Boris3
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                              KaiserRolls said:

                              Doesn’t spec e30 cap it around 65ftlbs?

                              Yep that's why I asked. I was curious.

                              Per the latest rule set: test "at the center hub nut, using a 30mm or 32mm socket and commercially available ½” torque wrench. The car will be placed on solid pavement, the right side of the car will be jacked up until the right rear tire is free from the pavement, the transmission will be placed in neutral, and the parking brake, if present, will be released. The torque wrench will be placed at the nine o’clock position with the socket on the center nut. The torque wrench will be set at 65 lb.-ft. and pushed down.If the differential does not breakaway prior to the torque wrench “breaking away,” a second and similar style torque wrench from an impartial party shall be used in a second test, immediately following the first test. If the differential does not breakaway using the second torque wrench, the car will be disqualified from the preceding race and the DQ will be noted in the car’s logbook."

                              I replaced my original after a wreck in 2014 with a used 3.73 only to find that it tested at 44ftlbs. Not good. My current one is a used Korman-built 3.73 that tests at 65ftlb. Much better.

                              1990 325i racecar (ITS, former Spec E30); 2004 330i ZHP

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                              • KaiserRollsK
                                KaiserRollsK
                                KaiserRolls
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                                Boris3 said:

                                Yep that's why I asked. I was curious.

                                Per the latest rule set: test "at the center hub nut, using a 30mm or 32mm socket and commercially available ½” torque wrench. The car will be placed on solid pavement, the right side of the car will be jacked up until the right rear tire is free from the pavement, the transmission will be placed in neutral, and the parking brake, if present, will be released. The torque wrench will be placed at the nine o’clock position with the socket on the center nut. The torque wrench will be set at 65 lb.-ft. and pushed down.If the differential does not breakaway prior to the torque wrench “breaking away,” a second and similar style torque wrench from an impartial party shall be used in a second test, immediately following the first test. If the differential does not breakaway using the second torque wrench, the car will be disqualified from the preceding race and the DQ will be noted in the car’s logbook."

                                I replaced my original after a wreck in 2014 with a used 3.73 only to find that it tested at 44ftlbs. Not good. My current one is a used Korman-built 3.73 that tests at 65ftlb. Much better.  

                                Phew, glad I tested it correctly lol. 
                                also glad to hear you could feel how sloppy it was around 40ish, confirms my suspicions.

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                                • HipMFH
                                  HipMFH
                                  HipMF
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                                  KaiserRolls said:

                                  Ramp angle

                                  Hmm. Learned something new today.

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                                  • KaiserRollsK
                                    KaiserRollsK
                                    KaiserRolls
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                                    #286

                                    HipMF said:

                                    Hmm. Learned something new today.

                                    Ever since Sunday I have been trying to school myself in differentials. It’s mostly black magic and gear lube

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                                      B C
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                                      there was once the most elaborate e30 m3 restoration thread on r3v maybe 7-8 years ago which I remember having great detail for the diff rebuild. Its so nice that EVERYTHING on a BMW is so well documented with multiple sources, so here’s the next best thing I have found.

                                      http://buildraceparty.com/diy-tech-how-to-rebuild-a-bmw-e30-differential/

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                                      • KaiserRollsK
                                        KaiserRollsK
                                        KaiserRolls
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                                        B C said:

                                        there was once the most elaborate e30 m3 restoration thread on r3v maybe 7-8 years ago which I remember having great detail for the diff rebuild. Its so nice that EVERYTHING on a BMW is so well documented with multiple sources, so here’s the next best thing I have found.

                                        http://buildraceparty.com/diy-tech-how-to-rebuild-a-bmw-e30-differential/
                                         

                                        I’ll be using that one, Thayer’s instructions and copious amounts of photos. @AsparagusMike just recently did his as well and has some photos.  
                                         

                                        this one has a helpful parts explosion and then turns into an ad for MM. 

                                        https://metricmechanic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Differentials.pdf

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                                        • KaiserRollsK
                                          KaiserRollsK
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                                          I also forgot to mention I ended up going with the “performance” 3 clutch setup instead of the “street” 3 clutch setup. I was worried about too much lockup (similar preload as a 2 clutch, but now with 3 discs) inducing understeer on turn-in 

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