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  • patsbimmer1P
    patsbimmer1P
    patsbimmer1
    wrote on last edited by
    #15

    You might want to consider e46 control arms as an upgrade.  From what I understand they will give you a little more at full lock.

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    • R
      R
      Rowleym
      wrote on last edited by
      #16

      patsbimmer1 said:

      You might want to consider e46 control arms as an upgrade.  From what I understand they will give you a little more at full lock.

      They give you added track width mainly I believe. This, plus an SLR half kit(or some rack spacers) will give you lots of lock. Don't just replace the stock arms. 

      Also, No need to up the rev limit with a stock motor. Keep it at 6800 or whatever, and don't be afraid the bang the hell out of it. 7k won't hurt a properly maintained m50..

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      • frcefedF
        frcefedF
        frcefed
        wrote on last edited by
        #17

        Rowleym said:

        They give you added track width mainly I believe. This, plus an SLR half kit(or some rack spacers) will give you lots of lock. Don't just replace the stock arms. 

        Also, No need to up the rev limit with a stock motor. Keep it at 6800 or whatever, and don't be afraid the bang the hell out of it. 7k won't hurt a properly maintained m50..

        What is an slr half kit?

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        • EarlE
          EarlE
          Earl
          wrote on last edited by
          #18

          The e46 arms give you mad tyte camber=P You do need e90 tie rods though to make up the added width. There is a lot you can do to get more lock in the front. There are tons of threads on driftworks and such from UK guys building e36 drift cars.

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          • frcefedF
            frcefedF
            frcefed
            wrote on last edited by
            #19

            Earl said:

            The e46 arms give you mad tyte camber=P You do need e90 tie rods though to make up the added width. There is a lot you can do to get more lock in the front. There are tons of threads on driftworks and such from UK guys building e36 drift cars.

            Well I am a sucker for camber, especially when my e34 pillowball mounts are maxed out at like 2.8 degrees:(

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              Rowleym
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              #20

              frcefed said:

              The e46 arms give you mad tyte camber=P You do need e90 tie rods though to make up the added width. There is a lot you can do to get more lock in the front. There are tons of threads on driftworks and such from UK guys building e36 drift cars.

              Well I am a sucker for camber, especially when my e34 pillowball mounts are maxed out at like 2.8 degrees:(

              With e46 arms you will probably put the camber adjustments max positive. Nearly.

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              • frcefedF
                frcefedF
                frcefed
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                #21

                Rowleym said:

                With e46 arms you will probably put the camber adjustments max positive. Nearly.

                I dont have pillowball mounts on my e36 yet. Haha

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                • patsbimmer1P
                  patsbimmer1P
                  patsbimmer1
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #22

                  http://www.driftworks.com/forum/technical/161071-e30-e36-lock-increase-guide-my-try-photos.html

                  Some more info on the swap.

                  2011 e90 M3 - DCT, Borla exhaust, BMW Performance Black Grille, ECS Painted Corners, Ziza Angel Eyes

                  07 335i Stella - sport package, BMS DCI, zhp knob, TMS cf parking brake lever, VRSF downpipes, MHD tune, H&R race springs, other stuff *SOLD*

                  97 328i Lola - sport package, m50 intake manifold, m50 manifold.com install kit, custom CAI, K&N filter, Borla exhaust, FK silverline coilovers, 25.5mm front sway bar, Powerflex front sway bushings, Turner Radiator, fan delete *sold*
                  95 325is *sold*
                  93 nissan 240sx KA-T *sold*

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                  "burnouts bring babes and babes dont have time for bushings" - Kaiser Rolls

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                  • frcefedF
                    frcefedF
                    frcefed
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                    #23

                    Nice! Yeah I'm definitely doing the e46 swap...

                    Soo I've noticed my rear tires toe in and my tires are wearing ridiculously fast.. anyone know why?

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                    • MorzadaM
                      MorzadaM
                      Morzada
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #24

                      frcefed said:

                      Soo I've noticed my rear tires toe in and my tires are wearing ridiculously fast.. anyone know why?

                      Given that this thread started with a question about your rear suspension, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that your RTABs are shot.

                      Why can't the Maples just be happy in their shade?

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                      • frcefedF
                        frcefedF
                        frcefed
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #25

                        Morzada said:

                        Given that this thread started with a question about your rear suspension, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that your RTABs are shot.

                        Why would that make the tires toe in? Wouldnt that force them back so they toe out?

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                        • frcefedF
                          frcefedF
                          frcefed
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #26

                          Well I did some research and my rtabs have to be shot but $280 for solid ones from turner seems like a lot.

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                          • jc43089J
                            jc43089J
                            jc43089
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #27

                            I have the UUC red poly RTABs, I don't remember how much they cost but not that much.  Otherwise new OE with limiters (oversize washers that limit deflection) would probably be much better than old worn out ones.

                            2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                            3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                            '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                            '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

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                            • patsbimmer1P
                              patsbimmer1P
                              patsbimmer1
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #28

                              Are they wearing inside or out?

                              2011 e90 M3 - DCT, Borla exhaust, BMW Performance Black Grille, ECS Painted Corners, Ziza Angel Eyes

                              07 335i Stella - sport package, BMS DCI, zhp knob, TMS cf parking brake lever, VRSF downpipes, MHD tune, H&R race springs, other stuff *SOLD*

                              97 328i Lola - sport package, m50 intake manifold, m50 manifold.com install kit, custom CAI, K&N filter, Borla exhaust, FK silverline coilovers, 25.5mm front sway bar, Powerflex front sway bushings, Turner Radiator, fan delete *sold*
                              95 325is *sold*
                              93 nissan 240sx KA-T *sold*

                              BMWCCA #473306

                              Instagram @patsbimmer1

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                              "burnouts bring babes and babes dont have time for bushings" - Kaiser Rolls

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                              • patsbimmer1P
                                patsbimmer1P
                                patsbimmer1
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #29

                                The e36 naturally has a lot of toe in and premature outside tire wear is a common problem. If it's inside then it is for sure the rtab's. The rear wheels will toe out at speed with bad rtabs.

                                2011 e90 M3 - DCT, Borla exhaust, BMW Performance Black Grille, ECS Painted Corners, Ziza Angel Eyes

                                07 335i Stella - sport package, BMS DCI, zhp knob, TMS cf parking brake lever, VRSF downpipes, MHD tune, H&R race springs, other stuff *SOLD*

                                97 328i Lola - sport package, m50 intake manifold, m50 manifold.com install kit, custom CAI, K&N filter, Borla exhaust, FK silverline coilovers, 25.5mm front sway bar, Powerflex front sway bushings, Turner Radiator, fan delete *sold*
                                95 325is *sold*
                                93 nissan 240sx KA-T *sold*

                                BMWCCA #473306

                                Instagram @patsbimmer1

                                AKA- HALLWAY PAT

                                "burnouts bring babes and babes dont have time for bushings" - Kaiser Rolls

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                                • frcefedF
                                  frcefedF
                                  frcefed
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #30

                                  jc43089 said:

                                  I have the UUC red poly RTABs, I don't remember how much they cost but not that much.  Otherwise new OE with limiters (oversize washers that limit deflection) would probably be much better than old worn out ones.

                                  How stiff are the ones you are running? For me, I need something very stiff, almost solid.

                                  patsbimmer1 said:

                                  Are they wearing inside or out?

                                  They are wearing almost evenly but the car is lowered about 2 or more inches and I also have 18x9.5" m3 rims on it and I can tell it has some camber already.

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                                  • jc43089J
                                    jc43089J
                                    jc43089
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #31

                                    If you are lowered that much and don't have adjustable lower arms then the camber is probably pretty aggressive in back.  When I put the poly RTABs in it was much more stable feeling in back, most noticeable in bumpy corners and similar situations.  The rear toe is adjustable on e36s, the holes in the RTAB mounting plate are slotted to allow moving it from side to side.  There is no eccentric to help you position them though, just have to hold it with a prybar, tighten, check it and repeat.

                                    2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                                    3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                                    '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                                    '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                                    '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                                    '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                                    '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                                    • frcefedF
                                      frcefedF
                                      frcefed
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #32

                                      jc43089 said:

                                      If you are lowered that much and don't have adjustable lower arms then the camber is probably pretty aggressive in back.  When I put the poly RTABs in it was much more stable feeling in back, most noticeable in bumpy corners and similar situations.  The rear toe is adjustable on e36s, the holes in the RTAB mounting plate are slotted to allow moving it from side to side.  There is no eccentric to help you position them though, just have to hold it with a prybar, tighten, check it and repeat.

                                      Do you track your car at all? I'm just worried that the poly rtabs won't last long when subjected to the abuses of drifting and all out track days. I just really want to bulletproof my e36 because on my e34 I've gone with cheaper/easier routes throughout the build and im constantly redoing things.

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                                      • jc43089J
                                        jc43089J
                                        jc43089
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #33

                                        I haven't tracked it yet, just aggressive DD duty.  They have been on for 20k ish and when I tore everything apart last winter they looked like new still, I would think that they will hold up better than the OE ones, that is one of the selling points, that they will last the lifetime of the car.

                                        2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                                        3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                                        '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                                        '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                                        '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                                        '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                                        '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                                        • frcefedF
                                          frcefedF
                                          frcefed
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #34

                                          I was reading up on another forum and there was a guy saying that poly rtabs are a consumable when tracking an e36 regularly but he never said how long they last. If I can get a whole season out of them I'd be fine with that instead of the solid rtabs because the solid rtabs supposedly wear subframe bushings and whatnot out faster due to their lack of movement.

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