'88 E30

[KaiserRolls]

So the lock plates I have are not the right ones, even tho the PN is for an 88 e30.

New on left, old on right.

The new ones only slide like halfway into the bore.

After talking with Blunttech for a bit - I'm going to make garbage art with the lock plates & put the nuts on with some loctite and torque them

Lock plates not fitting + losing my nuts made for an annoying night working on this junk

[straight6pwr]

looks like you have the right ones.  the lock plates go on AFTER the nut. clean out the bore best you can, then tap/pound them into the into the bore over top of the nut until they deform around the nut. (hex nut into a circle hole) should be tight, that's the point!  they are destroyed when you remove them as you have to pry them out, so make sure everything is torqued down and good to go before tapping them into place.

[KaiserRolls]

I have read 50/50 that they go on before and after. If they went on before, it would make sense to bend the tabs around the nut. If they go on after I'm literally going to take a socket and beat the shit out of them, kind of defeating the locking purpose?

When I originally removed my axle nuts the lock plates were on the back side of the nut

[straight6pwr]

KaiserRolls said:

I have read 50/50 that they go on before and after. If they went on before, it would make sense to bend the tabs around the nut. If they go on after I'm literally going to take a socket and beat the shit out of them, kind of defeating the locking purpose?

When I originally removed my axle nuts the lock plates were on the back side of the nut

no, beating them into place is what is locking them. the three tabs on the outside of the plate hold the plate from spinning in the hub, the center part which you deform around the hex nut hold the nut from spinning. the pressure from beating them in holds them in their place.

they aren't a lock washer/crush washer like you are thinking that goes under the nut. there is are no ridges or pressure that would help hold the axle nut in place. it would be like a regular old washer.

when you removed the original ones, they were either corroded/fell apart to where it looked like they were behind or someone installed them wrong. from your picture it looks like they had fallen apart.

[GunMetalGrey]

How would they lock if they were behind the nut? 
The three outer notches hold the lock plate in place, then you push (beat) the flat surface of the "washer" to conform it to the out profile of the hex. That provides a lock so the nut cannot move. 
If it was behind the nut it is just a washer that cannot spin.

[B C]

I have always done them under the axle nut like shown in the picture. 
As you tighten the axle nut  the lock plate crushes down and prevents the corners of the axle nut from rotating past them until you pry them open

[KaiserRolls]

Whoever did mine did them wrong then. Because the lock plate was definitely behind the nut.

[KaiserRolls]

I will gladly beat the shit out of them from pure frustration tonight

Makes sense to put them on after to bend them to the shape of the hex though

[straight6pwr]

Snap said:

I have always done them under the axle nut like shown in the picture. 
As you tighten the axle nut  the lock plate crushes down and prevents the corners of the axle nut from rotating past them until you pry them open 

you are smoking crack that picture clearly shows the lock plate on top of the nut. how does a flat plate crush down? the back of the axle nut is round, not hex.

KaiserRolls said:

I will gladly beat the shit out of them from pure frustration tonight

Makes sense to put them on after to bend them to the shape of the hex though

you shouldnt be torquing your axle nuts down without the subframe installed and the weight of the car on the wheels/hub IIRC. i don't know if it would even be possible, they get torqued to 180ft/lbs or something, you will have to hold the axle somehow...

[KaiserRolls]

Thanks for the info Dan. I guess I'll have to wait to beat the shit out of them

[B C]

straight6pwr said:

Snap said:

I have always done them under the axle nut like shown in the picture. 

As you tighten the axle nut  the lock plate crushes down and prevents the corners of the axle nut from rotating past them until you pry them open 

you are smoking crack that picture clearly shows the lock plate on top of the nut. how does a flat plate crush down? the back of the axle nut is round, not hex.

KaiserRolls said:

 

I will gladly beat the shit out of them from pure frustration tonight

Makes sense to put them on after to bend them to the shape of the hex though

you shouldnt be torquing your axle nuts down without the subframe installed and the weight of the car on the wheels/hub IIRC. i don't know if it would even be possible, they get torqued to 180ft/lbs or something, you will have to hold the axle somehow...

I will fight this one to the death. it may have been 4 years ago but im pretty sure you Ben and Mitch are Bushelmasters

[andyhundley]

Kaiser Rules Andy Drools

[KaiserRolls]

Good thing I have deep sockets, a big hammer and the right mental attitude regarding lock plates

[B C]

[KaiserRolls]

Fuck this. I'm throwing them away. Just gonna tighten the shit out of it

Lolololol

[straight6pwr]

ignore brian, he's on crack like i mentioned before.

since when is real oem an accurate assembly guide? i suppose brian must have two stacked 5-lug front rotors on your e30 as shown in this diagram:

[The Full Banana]

straight6pwr said:

since when is real oem an accurate assembly guide? i suppose brian must have two stacked 5-lug front rotors on your e30 as shown in this diagram:

oof. checkmate.

[i_love_cars]

Rofl @ rotors on top of rotors 

but it I mean I definitely agree with the strategy of using a hammer. I'm not sure a project is actually a project without using one.

[KaiserRolls]

Found my axle nuts. In a box. Labeled. "Sway bar parts" guys I think I need to quit at things

[GunMetalGrey]

Brian, my tuning pitchfork is currently resting in the garage. 
I shall brandish my axle nut shovel for this discussion.

You are an engineer, and it saddens me that you are subscribing to the theory of the lock plate being used as a washer to ensure the nut doesn't rotate. In your assemblies do you not use lock nuts when you are doing sheet metal? Because the sheet metal would deform and capture the nut, in your theory.Though that depends on the type of metal used. 

I could easily remove an axle nut with the lock plate behind it. But if you put it on the proper way (over the nut) you cannot even get a socket on it. That bad boy is locked in there. 

#endrant