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Reducing turbo lag: What should my next step be?

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  • Bassboy3313B
    Bassboy3313B
    Bassboy3313
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    #15

    Narcosis said:

    Smaller turbine housing == quicker spool == more flow restriction on the top end. The .63 hot side is not all that big, I'm guessing you've got a 4 banger?

    My suggestion is to spend a bunch of time driving the car, learn to drive around lag.  I had a T66 on my 95 Supra, a 20g on some of my DSMs, a GT3076r on my Legacy GT.  You learn the car, where to keep RPMs when you think you may need them, downshift more, etc.  Learn the car.  If that doesn't do it for you, a smaller turbo is a great idea, start with the hot side.

    I'm also a big fan of Hallman MBCs, and used them on all of my cars since around 1993.  Except my current E92. :)   The Hallman will produce full boost at partial throttle, so an EBC may very well address your "boost comes on too fast" comment.  Your tuner should be able take care of that.

    Ball bearing turbos are great, don't worry a thing about them.  They can stand the abuse just as a non-bb can.

    Take a look at the compressor maps of the various turbos you're interested in, take the time to understand them and they'll provide good information for making a decision, as well as what the CFM flow rate of your head is, etc.

    Tuner? Who needs a tuner?

    THIS IS MEGASQUUUUUUUUUUIRT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • NarcosisN
      NarcosisN
      Narcosis
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      #16

      The tuner comment was assuming that you'll be using an EBC in the system.  Modern tunes can manage boost based on rpm, gear, throttle position, etc. 

      One could always use a small shot of nitrous to eliminate the perceived lag. :)  

      Or MEGASQUIRT!

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      • R
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        Rowleym
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        #17

        You should really use the cheap EBC they have for megasquirt.

        Anyways

        TWIN SCROLL MAKES AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF DIFFERENCE.

        Not only on spool up(sometimes between 200-400rpms sooner)

        But TRANSIENT response. Which is what matters to me.

        I hope you're happy to know that your car spools faster than a stock bugeye wrx...

        But anyways I should really get this twincharged project done because you would love the whole no lag thing.

        In reality I was hoping to see full boost by 3k, which for me is nothing..

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        • B
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          #18

          Thanks for the input Rowley

          I added some timing advance down low and will be doing the "Dodge Garage" modification to my blowoff valve because I know it is bleeding off some pressure under WOT and shall see how things improve there.

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          • TCDT
            TCDT
            TCD
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            #19

            If you take a data driven approach to building/tuning your car you will be much better off.  Guessing at solutions doesn't work.  You have fantastic data logging capabilities.  You need to use them.

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              Rowleym
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              #20

              Anything specific he should datalog?

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                #21

                log all the things

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                • NarcosisN
                  NarcosisN
                  Narcosis
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                  #22

                  Rowleym said:

                  Anything specific he should datalog?

                  Everything.  The more data available the better.   Snap - which datalogging capabilities is TCD speaking of?  How is your car setup today?

                  FWIW, when I log my car (jb4 equipped) I get all possible data available via the OBD2 port.  That way I can display anything/everything I want when addressing a possible issue with the tune/car/setup/etc.

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                  • B
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                    #23

                    Megasquirt

                    Everything can be logged.  everything and more

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                    • TehRaydarloverT
                      TehRaydarloverT
                      TehRaydarlover
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #24

                      E30 anti-lag coming soon to a quiet suburb near you.

                      I've watched this video 20+ times and I still giggle like a little school girl

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                        #25

                        I like the burnt portion of the strap

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                        • frcefedF
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                          frcefed
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                          #26

                          I have the same dimensions on my Garrett t3t4 with ball bearings (and a warranty, thanks todd:)) and I have quite a bit of lag too, boost builds around 2600 and I hit 20psi around 4300rpms. I've been thinking about going the adjustable cam gear route.

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                            #27

                            Good to know. I cant fathom 20psi

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                            • frcefedF
                              frcefedF
                              frcefed
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                              #28

                              Well its only supposed to be 15psi but my boost controller sucks and anything over 13psi and my clutch slips anyway. Ha

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                                #29

                                Haha! Mine does as well so its somewhat humorous that part throttle is faster than full throttle sometimes. Id really like to check it out sometime though

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                                • frcefedF
                                  frcefedF
                                  frcefed
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                                  #30

                                  'Part throttle is faster than full throttle' I know! I always thought there was something wrong with my turbo or something. Haha

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                                  • frcefedF
                                    frcefedF
                                    frcefed
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                                    #31

                                    I ordered a performance clutch from UUC but I'm still waiting for it to come in.

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                                    • NarcosisN
                                      NarcosisN
                                      Narcosis
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                                      #32

                                      TehRaydarlover said:

                                      E30 anti-lag coming soon to a quiet suburb near you.

                                      I've watched this video 20+ times and I still giggle like a little school girl

                                      The only thing that comes to mind is "why?"...

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                                      • EarlE
                                        EarlE
                                        Earl
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                                        #33

                                        So there is no turbo lag

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                                        • jc43089J
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