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Reducing turbo lag: What should my next step be?

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  • TCDT
    TCDT
    TCD
    wrote on last edited by
    #10

    Snap said:

    That is sound advice, 

    All I have at the moment is a shot of the pressure vs RPM in 2nd gear

    sssssszps21d91f39.jpg

     How abt a jpg with a mark where it reaches 11psi so we know when that is.  Add AFR too.

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      #11

      Absolutely, I had that image uploaded already so it was convenient to post, 
      I will get back into the datalog tonight with more details.

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      • NarcosisN
        NarcosisN
        Narcosis
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        #12

        Smaller turbine housing == quicker spool == more flow restriction on the top end. The .63 hot side is not all that big, I'm guessing you've got a 4 banger?

        My suggestion is to spend a bunch of time driving the car, learn to drive around lag.  I had a T66 on my 95 Supra, a 20g on some of my DSMs, a GT3076r on my Legacy GT.  You learn the car, where to keep RPMs when you think you may need them, downshift more, etc.  Learn the car.  If that doesn't do it for you, a smaller turbo is a great idea, start with the hot side.

        I'm also a big fan of Hallman MBCs, and used them on all of my cars since around 1993.  Except my current E92. :)   The Hallman will produce full boost at partial throttle, so an EBC may very well address your "boost comes on too fast" comment.  Your tuner should be able take care of that.

        Ball bearing turbos are great, don't worry a thing about them.  They can stand the abuse just as a non-bb can.

        Take a look at the compressor maps of the various turbos you're interested in, take the time to understand them and they'll provide good information for making a decision, as well as what the CFM flow rate of your head is, etc.

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        • KaiserRollsK
          KaiserRollsK
          KaiserRolls
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          #13

          Narcosis said:

          Smaller turbine housing == quicker spool == more flow restriction on the top end. The .63 hot side is not all that big, I'm guessing you've got a 4 banger?

          My suggestion is to spend a bunch of time driving the car, learn to drive around lag.  I had a T66 on my 95 Supra, a 20g on some of my DSMs, a GT3076r on my Legacy GT.  You learn the car, where to keep RPMs when you think you may need them, downshift more, etc.  Learn the car.  If that doesn't do it for you, a smaller turbo is a great idea, start with the hot side.

          I'm also a big fan of Hallman MBCs, and used them on all of my cars since around 1993.  Except my current E92. :)   The Hallman will produce full boost at partial throttle, so an EBC may very well address your "boost comes on too fast" comment.  Your tuner should be able take care of that.

          Ball bearing turbos are great, don't worry a thing about them.  They can stand the abuse just as a non-bb can.

          Take a look at the compressor maps of the various turbos you're interested in, take the time to understand them and they'll provide good information for making a decision, as well as what the CFM flow rate of your head is, etc.

          he has the m20b25 I6 in his car

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            wrote on last edited by
            #14

            Narcosis said:

            Smaller turbine housing == quicker spool == more flow restriction on the top end. The .63 hot side is not all that big, I'm guessing you've got a 4 banger?

            My suggestion is to spend a bunch of time driving the car, learn to drive around lag.  I had a T66 on my 95 Supra, a 20g on some of my DSMs, a GT3076r on my Legacy GT.  You learn the car, where to keep RPMs when you think you may need them, downshift more, etc.  Learn the car.  If that doesn't do it for you, a smaller turbo is a great idea, start with the hot side.

            I'm also a big fan of Hallman MBCs, and used them on all of my cars since around 1993.  Except my current E92. :)   The Hallman will produce full boost at partial throttle, so an EBC may very well address your "boost comes on too fast" comment.  Your tuner should be able take care of that.

            Ball bearing turbos are great, don't worry a thing about them.  They can stand the abuse just as a non-bb can.

            Take a look at the compressor maps of the various turbos you're interested in, take the time to understand them and they'll provide good information for making a decision, as well as what the CFM flow rate of your head is, etc.

            Thanks for the input! I appreciate your experience. 

            I will talk with my tuner   ;)

            EDIT:  I just talked with my tuner,  he thinks I have Multiple Personality Disorder.

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            • Bassboy3313B
              Bassboy3313B
              Bassboy3313
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              #15

              Narcosis said:

              Smaller turbine housing == quicker spool == more flow restriction on the top end. The .63 hot side is not all that big, I'm guessing you've got a 4 banger?

              My suggestion is to spend a bunch of time driving the car, learn to drive around lag.  I had a T66 on my 95 Supra, a 20g on some of my DSMs, a GT3076r on my Legacy GT.  You learn the car, where to keep RPMs when you think you may need them, downshift more, etc.  Learn the car.  If that doesn't do it for you, a smaller turbo is a great idea, start with the hot side.

              I'm also a big fan of Hallman MBCs, and used them on all of my cars since around 1993.  Except my current E92. :)   The Hallman will produce full boost at partial throttle, so an EBC may very well address your "boost comes on too fast" comment.  Your tuner should be able take care of that.

              Ball bearing turbos are great, don't worry a thing about them.  They can stand the abuse just as a non-bb can.

              Take a look at the compressor maps of the various turbos you're interested in, take the time to understand them and they'll provide good information for making a decision, as well as what the CFM flow rate of your head is, etc.

              Tuner? Who needs a tuner?

              THIS IS MEGASQUUUUUUUUUUIRT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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              • NarcosisN
                NarcosisN
                Narcosis
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                #16

                The tuner comment was assuming that you'll be using an EBC in the system.  Modern tunes can manage boost based on rpm, gear, throttle position, etc. 

                One could always use a small shot of nitrous to eliminate the perceived lag. :)  

                Or MEGASQUIRT!

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                • R
                  R
                  Rowleym
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                  #17

                  You should really use the cheap EBC they have for megasquirt.

                  Anyways

                  TWIN SCROLL MAKES AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF DIFFERENCE.

                  Not only on spool up(sometimes between 200-400rpms sooner)

                  But TRANSIENT response. Which is what matters to me.

                  I hope you're happy to know that your car spools faster than a stock bugeye wrx...

                  But anyways I should really get this twincharged project done because you would love the whole no lag thing.

                  In reality I was hoping to see full boost by 3k, which for me is nothing..

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                  sk8 or die

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                  • B
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                    #18

                    Thanks for the input Rowley

                    I added some timing advance down low and will be doing the "Dodge Garage" modification to my blowoff valve because I know it is bleeding off some pressure under WOT and shall see how things improve there.

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                    • TCDT
                      TCDT
                      TCD
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                      #19

                      If you take a data driven approach to building/tuning your car you will be much better off.  Guessing at solutions doesn't work.  You have fantastic data logging capabilities.  You need to use them.

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                      • R
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                        Rowleym
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                        #20

                        Anything specific he should datalog?

                        96.jpg96.jpg96.jpg96.jpg

                        sk8 or die

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                        • B
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                          #21

                          log all the things

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                          • NarcosisN
                            NarcosisN
                            Narcosis
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #22

                            Rowleym said:

                            Anything specific he should datalog?

                            Everything.  The more data available the better.   Snap - which datalogging capabilities is TCD speaking of?  How is your car setup today?

                            FWIW, when I log my car (jb4 equipped) I get all possible data available via the OBD2 port.  That way I can display anything/everything I want when addressing a possible issue with the tune/car/setup/etc.

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                              #23

                              Megasquirt

                              Everything can be logged.  everything and more

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                              • TehRaydarloverT
                                TehRaydarloverT
                                TehRaydarlover
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                                #24

                                E30 anti-lag coming soon to a quiet suburb near you.

                                I've watched this video 20+ times and I still giggle like a little school girl

                                Untitled1zps3446a42f.png

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                                • B
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                                  #25

                                  I like the burnt portion of the strap

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                                  • frcefedF
                                    frcefedF
                                    frcefed
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                                    #26

                                    I have the same dimensions on my Garrett t3t4 with ball bearings (and a warranty, thanks todd:)) and I have quite a bit of lag too, boost builds around 2600 and I hit 20psi around 4300rpms. I've been thinking about going the adjustable cam gear route.

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                                      #27

                                      Good to know. I cant fathom 20psi

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                                      • frcefedF
                                        frcefedF
                                        frcefed
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                                        #28

                                        Well its only supposed to be 15psi but my boost controller sucks and anything over 13psi and my clutch slips anyway. Ha

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                                          #29

                                          Haha! Mine does as well so its somewhat humorous that part throttle is faster than full throttle sometimes. Id really like to check it out sometime though

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