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  • HipMFH
    HipMFH
    HipMF
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    GunMetalGrey said:

    Increasing compression is only good for about 3% power gain over stock compression

    Not sure whether this is some kind of extreme generalization, or a valid piece of data from a non-relevant discussion...

    Ideal static compression ratio is heavily dependent on camshaft timing. Cam specs greatly affect VE across the rev range. When VE is decreased, there's less air getting in, but the final volume after compression is the same, so your "dynamic" CR will be lower. You need a higher static CR to get the the same amount of "dynamic" compression of the charge before ignition. Generally speaking, bigger cams require more compression, especially to restore torque that is lost in the low end/midrange which was lost because increased valve overlap results in a lower VE in those rev ranges..

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    • GunMetalGreyG
      GunMetalGreyG
      GunMetalGrey
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      #47

      HipMF said:

      Not sure whether this is some kind of extreme generalization, or a valid piece of data from a non-relevant discussion...

      Ideal static compression ratio is heavily dependent on camshaft timing. Cam specs greatly affect VE across the rev range. When VE is decreased, there's less air getting in, but the final volume after compression is the same, so your "dynamic" CR will be lower. You need a higher static CR to get the the same amount of "dynamic" compression of the charge before ignition. Generally speaking, bigger cams require more compression, especially to restore torque that is lost in the low end/midrange which was lost because increased valve overlap results in a lower VE in those rev ranges..

      It is a generalization
      Static compression ratio does not depend of camshaft timing, as it is simply using the volume of combustion area at the two most extreme points of stroke. The effective compression ratio certainly changes when you get into cam profiles and variable timing and things of that sort, which is not something I've delved into, as the static ratio of this engine has never been accurately measured, therefore dynamic is also speculative.

      When looking at adiabatic compression of the otto cycle, ~1 point of compression increase yields around 2 to 4 percent increase in efficiency as a result of more heat being generated by the compression of air itself and intake temp being the same (ideally) instead relying on the combustible fuel source to provide that energy. As your delta T increases so does the area in the otto cycle which is the work output. 

      Anywho, doing any modification without supporting it is silly, but when people with stock M50's talk about just increasing compression and expecting to see large benefit it is worth noting that they will be spending a fair bit of money for little gain. 

      Positive manifold pressure is a wonderful thing in an engine is what it really all boils down to.

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      • GunMetalGreyG
        GunMetalGreyG
        GunMetalGrey
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        Man I'm good at buying vehicles that had things living in them. 
        Noticed some yellow/orange chips near the sunroof crank, and had been getting a more present animal smell in the cabin. 
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        Started pulling the headliner down around the doors and more foam was rolling out.
        Lovely. 

        Add taking the current headliner out and replacing it to the list of things to do.

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        • GunMetalGreyG
          GunMetalGreyG
          GunMetalGrey
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          #49

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          Headliner was cleaned out and tucked back away for a later date .

          Cooling this engine had been sub optimal before, so I threw money at the problem. 
          Stewart water pump, Z3m triple core, SPAL branded fan.

          Clearances are tight, but man does this help keep temps in check!

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          • GunMetalGreyG
            GunMetalGreyG
            GunMetalGrey
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            #50

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            Oh, new wheels on. 595rs-rr's because RT660's were hella backordered. 225/45r15
            Conclusion, lightweight, but 15's look meh in my opinion.

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            • jc43089J
              jc43089J
              jc43089
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              GunMetalGrey said:

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              Oh, new wheels on. 595rs-rr's because RT660's were hella backordered. 225/45r15
              Conclusion, lightweight, but 15's look meh in my opinion. 

              Call me lame but the 15's look perfect.

              2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
              3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
              '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

              '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

              '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
              '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
              '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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              • KaiserRollsK
                KaiserRollsK
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                #52

                jc43089 said:

                Call me lame but the 15's look perfect.

                +1

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                • B
                  B
                  B C
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                  #53

                  jc43089 said:

                  Call me perfect but the 15's look lame.

                  Perfect

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                  • GunMetalGreyG
                    GunMetalGreyG
                    GunMetalGrey
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                    #54

                    I've been chasing down a tick from the rear of this engine for a bit now, and had some findings yesterday. 
                    The previous work I've done was removing the cams and opening and cleaning all the lifters, which didn't change anything. I then replaced lifters on cylinder 5 and 6, which did not change the noise. 
                    I tried heavier oil which helped reduce the noise a bit, but then was loud again, thin oil made it much worse. 

                    I am seeing metal in the oil so it was time to pull the pan and see what bearing I was losing. The piece upper right was from something else, but this is what was coming out of the back corner of the oil pan as I was pulling it. 
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                    I found the oil pump chain to be very slack, but intact. 
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                    I can't leave the chain that loose so I'll be pulling the engine seeing as I'm opening up a larger can of worms here than intended. 
                    I have not seen any glaring signs of bearing failure which is good (no discolored caps) but I have yet to pull any caps. That'll wait until the engine is on a stand. 

                    Fun with engines!

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                    • GunMetalGreyG
                      GunMetalGreyG
                      GunMetalGrey
                      wrote on last edited by
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                      Bearings from rear most main cap, that'll do it. 

                      Crank looks fine, bearings didn't spin. 
                      Will be taking the crank out and redoing all the bearings and verifying clearance along with replacing the oil pump chain.

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                      • KaiserRollsK
                        KaiserRollsK
                        KaiserRolls
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                        #56

                        I’m sure you already did, but check the oil pump

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                        • GunMetalGreyG
                          GunMetalGreyG
                          GunMetalGrey
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #57

                          KaiserRolls said:

                          I’m sure you already did, but check the oil pump

                          In what capacity? 
                          I have verified that the pump is still a pump, which is always nice!

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                          • jc43089J
                            jc43089J
                            jc43089
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                            GunMetalGrey said:

                            In what capacity? 
                            I have verified that the pump is still a pump, which is always nice! 

                            Check the side clearance and inspect for anything that would cause lower output flow.  Also check the relief valve spring, I doubt that is the issue though because typical idling pressure is very low anyway.  Did you have an oil pressure gauge?

                            2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                            3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                            '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                            '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                            '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                            '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                            '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                            • B
                              B
                              B C
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                              #59

                              Also check the lobes for wear. They can be purchased new

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                              • GunMetalGreyG
                                GunMetalGreyG
                                GunMetalGrey
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #60

                                jc43089 said:

                                Check the side clearance and inspect for anything that would cause lower output flow.  Also check the relief valve spring, I doubt that is the issue though because typical idling pressure is very low anyway.  Did you have an oil pressure gauge?

                                It did for awhile, then it went missing right around when I got it. It's in my amazon cart haha. 

                                I question if the horrid old clutch in there didn't help the situation any, as it would chatter like a mother.

                                Previous dude also speculated that it was ticking shortly after assembly, but not as bad.

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                                • GunMetalGreyG
                                  GunMetalGreyG
                                  GunMetalGrey
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                                  Well, fired it up and it sounded the same.
                                  Pulled the head and brought it to the shop, as that's the only thing left.
                                  Dude called and said I had a bent valve or 24, so at least root issue was found. He noted the guides were ovals so it had been this way for quite some time, must've been a very subtle bend on most of them. 

                                  Ordered some goodies and will be back better than ever. 
                                  +1 on the intake for fun
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                                  • GunMetalGreyG
                                    GunMetalGreyG
                                    GunMetalGrey
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #62

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                                    Supertech Upgraded dual spring kit
                                    Supertech Stock size exhaust valves
                                    Supertech +1 Intake Valves
                                    Supertech Single Groove Valve Locks
                                    Supertech Valve Seals
                                    Achilles Upgraded Valve Guides
                                    Further head port work to accommodate and capitalize on the oversized intake valves

                                    I'm looking forward to the re-tune on the dyno, last time my crank sensor was on the fritz so I was limited to 6100ish RPM depending on engine temp. With the new springs and such we will happily running it up nice and high in the revs without concern!

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                                    • GunMetalGreyG
                                      GunMetalGreyG
                                      GunMetalGrey
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #63

                                      The results are in!
                                      Last tune vs new tune
                                      That pickup in torque is very noticeable, the top end doesn't feel all that much different but feels much smoother than last time. 
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