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  • SteelBlueS
    SteelBlueS
    SteelBlue
    wrote on last edited by
    #9

    Wheel centers and the euro front bumper have definitely helped this car's appearance.

    Those are turbo tuning numbers in terms of gains. Understandably so, given what's in the motor. Looking forward to going for a ride at some point.

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    • KaiserRollsK
      KaiserRollsK
      KaiserRolls
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      #10

      Great results.

      i know you’re OBD1, but was he able to log any IATs or anything during the runs? Heat soak that quickly sounds not fun

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      • m42b32M
        m42b32M
        m42b32
        wrote on last edited by
        #11

        There's just something about an early model with euro bumpers, it looks so good. Amazing numbers! I bet it's an absolute riot to drive.

        1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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        • GunMetalGreyG
          GunMetalGreyG
          GunMetalGrey
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          #12

          KaiserRolls said:

          Great results.

          i know you’re OBD1, but was he able to log any IATs or anything during the runs? Heat soak that quickly sounds not fun

          It's not an intake thing ( I don't think at this point) as the intake tube was cool the whole time. I'm thinking there is a sensor on the fritz or something like that and is affected by temperature. It didn't have the breakup issue in WI but started happening shortly after bringing it out here. 
          I tried (5) different coils today and that didn't change anything, so will shuffle them around and try again. I had tried a new crank sensor but the new one was DOA. Not entirely sure what else to start chasing down. 

           

          m42b32 said:

          There's just something about an early model with euro bumpers, it looks so good. Amazing numbers! I bet it's an absolute riot to drive. 

          It's a classy look for sure, but doesn't sound or drive classy! 

          Drove it around a bit today, and realized how much I hate the clutch. It was put in when he thought he was going to do boost, so its a stage 39485958 6 puck unsprung on a single mass flywheel. It blows, that's pretty high on the list of things to replace because it simply isn't enjoyable.

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          • YoungCRY
            YoungCRY
            YoungCR
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            #13

            Excellent! Early euro bumpers are the best

            Chris Young
            BMWCCA #458972
            1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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            • GunMetalGreyG
              GunMetalGreyG
              GunMetalGrey
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              #14

              Update time!
              I was driving the car around for a day or two after tuning, tearing up the streets and such. Went to a guys house who does E36 racecars and was working on s54 itb adapters for m5x/s5x engines which I wanted to pick his brain about for reasons. Right before I got to his house the temp gauge started climbing above half, figured it was just air so wasn't worried. Before I left his house I opened the expansion tank and worked the hoses a bit. Started my 30 min drive home and made it about 10 before it started overheating. I parked in a gas station and tried for 40 or so minutes to burp the cooling system and add coolant but it was no success. Luckily I was about 5 miles from a friends house who just so happened to not be working that night. I started driving to his place and as I got off the highway I nearly stalled it changing gears as the clutch engagement point was suddenly on the floor... I pumped the pedal once or twice to find out something in the clutch blew out and I could barely get anything. 
              I continued driving my overheating e30 without using the clutch and trying to time traffic lights correctly. I made it into his apartment complex and parked it, got a ride home, and rented a uhaul trailer (again) to pick the car up. 

              Slave cylinder hydraulic seal blew out, so brake fluid was dumping out of the bellhousing.  I bought a new master and slave cyl to accompany the new clutch and not have to worry about it for many years again. 

              image.png

              I dropped the trans with the engine in the car which I haven't done before. Not as bad as everyone says it is! 
              I swapped to a E36 flywheel with 240mm clutch vs the E30 flywheel that was in it at 228mm. The old six puck clutch was indeed required to hold the NA power that this engine is producing which is amusing, but sucks to drive. Swapped to a full face organic disk. 
              Old clutch/PP/Flywheel weight: 31.4 Lbs.
              New clutch/PP/Flywheel weight: 28.4 Lbs.
              Three pounds lighter for a better clutch? I'm game! Photo of old clutch so I can remember the abuse it caused.

              image.png

              After using the wrong throw-out bearing the first time which required me to take the trans back out, I was finally at the point where everything was back together and ready for coolant. I poured coolant in and started hearing a trickle, and found a pinhole in my radiator that had 3 hours or so of runtime on it. I must've caught it on something while taking it out. My attempt to solder it was unsuccessful so I ordered another one, thankfully the CSF OE replacement is cheap! 

              image.png

              So everything is back together now, and RockAuto sent me the correct crank sensor after they sent me the wrong one (the must've had a mislabeled box or something odd) and it seems the crank sensor was the cause of my breakup and stumbling issues, as the car now pulls smoothly to 7?00 RPM. I would like to get back on the dyno to make sure that top rev range is tuned and to see where the power starts to taper. 
              The new clutch is so damn nice to drive with, frankly it should've been the first thing I did to the car when I got it. The ability to slip the clutch and not have the car lurching is lovely, and as resulted in me driving this thing a lot more than it ever has been since I've known it. 

              It does still have the issue of losing traction in 3rd gear on moist pavement at 65mph though. I need to work on that one yet!

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              • P_RoloffP
                P_RoloffP
                P_Roloff
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                #15

                GunMetalGrey said:

                It does still have the issue of losing traction in 3rd gear on moist pavement at 65mph though. I need to work on that one yet!
                 

                I think you should post a video of this. You know, for scientific purposes.

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                • GunMetalGreyG
                  GunMetalGreyG
                  GunMetalGrey
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #16

                  P_Roloff said:

                  I think you should post a video of this. You know, for scientific purposes. 

                  Ahhh man an excuse to go beat on the car... I hate those! 

                  Note my overzealous let-off that had me pointing toward another car in oncoming traffic, and the other side being a ditch lol
                  I hope @B C appreciates the audio, the timing was unintentional.

                  The highway was actually dry enough to let 3rd gear stretch its legs, I always debate going back to a 3.73 in this car, but the 3.25 feels like it takes great advantage of the torque on hand.

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                  • P_RoloffP
                    P_RoloffP
                    P_Roloff
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                    #17

                    That looks like an absolute riot. The way it built speed... 115 at the end of the pull? Friggin awesome. If this car ever makes it’s way back to Wisconsin, I want to see it.

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                    • YoungCRY
                      YoungCRY
                      YoungCR
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #18

                      Bury that tach! It wouldn't be a project car without ups and downs, this seems worth the trouble.

                      Chris Young
                      BMWCCA #458972
                      1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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                      • SteelBlueS
                        SteelBlueS
                        SteelBlue
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                        S52 to the moon.

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                        • RekpointR
                          RekpointR
                          Rekpoint
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                          #20

                          SteelBlue said:

                          S52 to the moon.

                          Where it should be 🤩

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                          • GunMetalGreyG
                            GunMetalGreyG
                            GunMetalGrey
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #21

                            Started making an airbox, ended up going down a rabbit hole, will update more later once parts arrive. 
                            I believe I'm going for the highest power NA S52

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                            • m42b32M
                              m42b32M
                              m42b32
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #22

                              GunMetalGrey said:

                              Started making an airbox, ended up going down a rabbit hole, will update more later once parts arrive. 
                              I believe I'm going for the highest power NA S52

                              I like this, interested to see!

                              1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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                              • GunMetalGreyG
                                GunMetalGreyG
                                GunMetalGrey
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #23

                                Alright I'm going to start thinking out loud here. 
                                So what I was looking at while working on an airbox is the tight radius elbow that leads into the throttle body on my car. The bimmerworld elbow is used to adapt to the 3.5" MAF but seems to have a tighter radius than stock. 
                                Bends are bad for airflow, and I currently have a tight radius 90 before the throttle body, then a 90 after the filter. Total of 180° of bends.
                                The E36 chassis needs this bend due to the strut tower location and them being close together, but the strut towers are further back and apart in an E30, and the throttle body is almost entirely forward of it. Random google pic instead of going to my car.

                                image.png

                                Step 1: New throttle body. I recently stumbled upon someone who put an M60 throttle body (80mm) on an S52. Turns out many years ago Treehouse racing actually made a kit to do this, but I have never seen this or heard about it, and it looks like not many were ever made. The throttle body uses the same TPS, but everything else is different. I picked up one on ebay for $60 shipped. This is the same engine that my MAF is from.

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                                I will be making an adapter that will allow me to bolt this up to my engine, and I will be opening up the hole in the manifold to capitalize on the swap. I will need to make a bracket for the throttle cable as well. 

                                Step 2: Remove 90° bend at throttle body. If I move my coolant expansion tank to the passenger side of the car (plenty of space) I can get away with running (1) 45° elbow at the throttle body, and keep the rest straight with maybe a small bend to accommodate the filter. Taking 135° of bends out of my intake tubing should help, especially with eliminating the tight radius bend before the throttle body. 

                                What I'd like to do is swap this stuff while it's on the dyno and see actual results.
                                The biggest downside is going to be drivability; currently I barely have to breathe on the throttle pedal to cruise, and this swap will amplify that issue. I will make a different throttle arm if I have enough pedal travel to do so. 

                                I don't think this swap ever caught on because it is likely very pointless on a relatively stock engine, but we're far from that in this thread!

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                                • YoungCRY
                                  YoungCRY
                                  YoungCR
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #24

                                  I like where this is going 😎

                                  Chris Young
                                  BMWCCA #458972
                                  1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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                                  • GunMetalGreyG
                                    GunMetalGreyG
                                    GunMetalGrey
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #25

                                    Throttle body updates? Nah
                                    I determined I want to do some data collection before that regarding intake vacuum pre/post TB

                                    What I did do was replace the boat 3 spoke steering wheel with a smaller unit. Please ignore the lack of kick panel near the pedals, and the speaker grille. Gotta love early models for not having actual kick panels there. 
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                                    • P_RoloffP
                                      P_RoloffP
                                      P_Roloff
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                                      #26

                                      GunMetalGrey said:

                                      Throttle body updates? Nah
                                      I determined I want to do some data collection before that regarding intake vacuum pre/post TB

                                      What I did do was replace the boat 3 spoke steering wheel with a smaller unit. Please ignore the lack of kick panel near the pedals, and the speaker grille. Gotta love early models for not having actual kick panels there. 
                                      image.png

                                       

                                      This car needs a golf ball shift knob.

                                      Wheel looks nice, is it one of the Renown ones?

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                                      • GunMetalGreyG
                                        GunMetalGreyG
                                        GunMetalGrey
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #27

                                        P_Roloff said:

                                        This car needs a golf ball shift knob.

                                        Wheel looks nice, is it one of the Renown ones?

                                        Yeah I was eyeing up the golf boi... the current shifter is meh

                                        Yeah it is a Renown unit, figured I'd give it a shot. Everything feels nice and sturdy, price is appealing, shall see how it holds up! 
                                        The tri-color stitching wasn't my first choice, but after ordering the black stitching they said they were out and it would be some time before getting any more. I think the tri-color is acceptable given the powerplant!

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                                        • GunMetalGreyG
                                          GunMetalGreyG
                                          GunMetalGrey
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                                          #28

                                          Side note; data acquisition keeps getting postponed due to wet roads! I need full throttle full load for intake vacuum differential testing!

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