Coronavirus
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Wait did I miss the part where without a stay at home order you HAVE to go out of your house? As far as I am aware if you are worried about the virus or any other thing you can stay home indefinitely if you want to.
some people will be able to stay in, but not everyone. some people who need to be safe at home might now be forced to make the decision to go back to work and risk dying or stay and home and get fired. old people, immune compromised people, pregnant moms, etc have jobs too. currently, they can collect unemployment. if they are fired for not showing up for work, they cannot.
I'm not going to be heading to a bar anytime soon
you are smart enough to realize that staying away from people is indeed safer. you are smart enough to implement safe practices at you and your wife's businesses. its fantastic that you are doing that. the problem is many people are not. many people are idiots. stay at home was protecting us from idiots. the idiots will ruin it for all of us, no matter which side of the debate we are on. was a state wide shutdown an overreach? maybe. but we have laws and people in charge because the average citizen is like a 14 y.o. boy. - without direction and someone else in charge, he will inevitably set himself on fire or set his friend on fire. he thinks he knows what good decisions are, but most of the time he's wrong.
if a customer showed up at your wife's salon and said "I have COVID and I want to come in for a haircut", would you let them in? Yes or no, those people are coming, and they aren't going to warn you.
Dan
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Same problem here. I work with 40 other people. Does one of them have the right to go out to a bar, get covid and drag it back to work, getting 20 other people sick in the process? Your rights only extend until you infringe on other people's rights. That's how society works.
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Your rights only extend until you infringe on other people's rights.
Kind of like how the WI Supreme Court just ruled that the safer at home order was unlawful
FWIW many cities have already implemented their own version of safer at home orders, mine included, that extend beyond the original order by a few days
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Kind of like how the WI Supreme Court just ruled that the safer at home order was unlawful
I haven't read the ruling, but I'm sure it's reasonably fair. The legislature makes laws and can change them if they see fit, but it takes time. The executive branch took a quick action that it thought was necessary. That action was challenged in the judicial branch and was overturned. Checks and balances in action. I don't have a problem with any of that.
This is what I was reacting to:
Wait did I miss the part where without a stay at home order you HAVE to go out of your house?
Yes, I do have to leave my house. I need money to pay rent. I need to buy food. I also don't want to want to get severely ill, and would appreciate it if other people could not congregate because they think their right to drink a beer at a bar is more important than other peoples right not not get severely ill/die. Most people can be that courteous on their own. Those people at Nick's Bar obviously need some guidance from above so that we can try to slow this pandemic down.
Everyone has their own idea of where the line is between protecting peoples health versus protecting the economy, but too many people don't recognize that their behavior has a very real and tangible effect on other peoples lives. That goes for both sides. I'm not saying I have the answer here, just that everyone seems to think they have the answer and don't spend enough time listening to people who think differently than they do.
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you are smart enough to realize that staying away from people is indeed safer. you are smart enough to implement safe practices at you and your wife's businesses. its fantastic that you are doing that. the problem is many people are not. many people are idiots. stay at home was protecting us from idiots. the idiots will ruin it for all of us, no matter which side of the debate we are on. was a state wide shutdown an overreach? maybe. but we have laws and people in charge because the average citizen is like a 14 y.o. boy. - without direction and someone else in charge, he will inevitably set himself on fire or set his friend on fire. he thinks he knows what good decisions are, but most of the time he's wrong.
if a customer showed up at your wife's salon and said "I have COVID and I want to come in for a haircut", would you let them in? Yes or no, those people are coming, and they aren't going to warn you.
It is MY responsibility to protect MYSELF from idiots. Not the government. I HATE that the government made a law requiring seatbelts, I ALWAYS wear them, to protect myself, not to be protected by the government. If I'M at risk then I don't go to places where I could be exposed. This is all MY responsibility. I do not need, not want the government to do it for me.
That is the difference here.
Same thing with the people at the salon, people who are sick or think they are sick are asked not to come. If they are showing symptoms and come anyway, they are asked to leave. Staff is wearing masks and in some cases face shields, clients are required to wear face masks. If a staff member feels to uncomfortable with the situation, they are not coming in. This isn't racket science. This is personal responsibility, and part of that responsibility is understanding that there are idiots out there and doing what you need to, to mitigate risk. If I was 97, asthmatic, and was going through Chemo, my risk would be a lot different than if I was 27, and healthy. Sure, bad things can happen to anyone, but it's about managing risk as you see fit for yourself. As soon as the government tries to manage my risk for me, it's a no-go.
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Hard to have a sense of humor about 100,000 dead.
People mockingly fake heart attacks all the time - Thousands die from hear disease every year
People mock bad drivers and car accidents, - thousands die in car crashes every year
People make fun of fat people and diabetes - see first line
Humor is humor. If you can only make fun of pure innocent things, life gets REALLY boring.
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Pepsi got the market cornered on this dystopian future product placement
Mmmmm Corn syrup. Who drinks high priced water + co2 with corn syrup and caramel coloring?
#stirringthepot
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Mmmmm Corn syrup. Who drinks high priced water + co2 with corn syrup and caramel coloring?
#stirringthepot
I used to, before I got old and fat. It's still delicious.
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Dane county blowin up.
How does this compare to the number of tests being done? It looks alarming but it needs to be overlaid with how many tests are being done, otherwise it is useless. Also death numbers would be helpful. According to DHS it does not appear that deaths in Dane county are rising at all thankfully. DHS
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Day 1 of Dane county mask mandate. I started wearing a mask to work 2 weeks ago, but have been taking it of when I'm in my cube. Keeping it on now. We've got a couple chin-maskers and nose-out people, and at least one person that's abstaining completely, but for the most part people where I work seems to have gotten on board, at least for now. Hopefully, we can tamp this thing down...
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Masks have been mandatory at my work since May. I made all the signage and am part of the enforcement.
I now have a family member (Uncle) with the virus. Former smoker, admitted to the ICU but no ventilator yet. Things are hopeful for now
Good to hear your employer was more pro-active than mine and that your uncle is doing okay so far.
Thankfully, it does seem like we're learning better ways to treat people and deaths have gone down, but unfortunately there are still a lot of "known unknowns" and "unknown unknowns" when it comes to long-term recovery. Even asymptomatic people apparently have measurable impairment after getting it. Seems better to avoid it if at all possible.
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