Coronavirus
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Wait did I miss the part where without a stay at home order you HAVE to go out of your house? As far as I am aware if you are worried about the virus or any other thing you can stay home indefinitely if you want to.
https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/covid-19/deaths.htm
I guess we wait a couple weeks and look at the data again to see if the line moves from it's very horizontal trajectory. Deaths per day have been a steady flat line since the beginning of April. It will be pretty easy to see if the line starts trending upwards.
What is quite bad is the 43% of WI deaths are happening at old folks homes. And 71% of deaths are of people 70 or older. So hmm, I won't go see any elderly family or friends.
I personally will choose not to go to a packed bar, or even Walmart, etc. I don't need a "law" to tell me I can't. Even in non pandemic time I still avoid those places
Edit: And don't be scared, there are already local extensions where most of you live anyway.
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People are missing the point of why the order was reversed. IT WAS ILLEGAL. Put something else in place, fine. But if you give up freedoms for a small amount of security, you are already done for. We have checks and balances in place for this exact reason.
I'm not going to be heading to a bar anytime soon, but I'm glad that I can decide that. If you are so fucking worried about what everyone else does, get a job as a policeman or teacher or something.
My wife's spa is fully reopening Monday. There is a long list of new internal regulations that she is implementing (on her own, not per any ordinances). People will be asked ot comply or not come.
The funny thing is, all hair stylists and nail techs are trained in disease control, sterilization, etc. They literally have to take a 4 credit course every year or two on hygiene to stay up to date. They are trained more than any other profession on how to keep clients and themselves safe, yet they've been shut down the longest. It just goes to show you that the people who determined the shut down had no idea of reality.
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People are missing the point of why the order was reversed. IT WAS ILLEGAL. Put something else in place, fine. But if you give up freedoms for a small amount of security, you are already done for. We have checks and balances in place for this exact reason.
I'm not going to be heading to a bar anytime soon, but I'm glad that I can decide that. If you are so fucking worried about what everyone else does, get a job as a policeman or teacher or something.
My wife's spa is fully reopening Monday. There is a long list of new internal regulations that she is implementing (on her own, not per any ordinances). People will be asked ot comply or not come.
The funny thing is, all hair stylists and nail techs are trained in disease control, sterilization, etc. They literally have to take a 4 credit course every year or two on hygiene to stay up to date. They are trained more than any other profession on how to keep clients and themselves safe, yet they've been shut down the longest. It just goes to show you that the people who determined the shut down had no idea of reality.
Exactly, it was illegal, therefore no matter whether it was helpful or not it cannot be done here. In other countries that have different laws sure go for it. The ruling from what I understand wasn't even about whether the stay at home order contents were legit or not it was that it could not be implemented by Evers or Andrea Palm without approval of the other branches.
If you are worried about what everyone else is doing and like to control people please actually do not become a policeman...
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Had to run to the vet over lunch....holy shit everything busy
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Wait did I miss the part where without a stay at home order you HAVE to go out of your house? As far as I am aware if you are worried about the virus or any other thing you can stay home indefinitely if you want to.
some people will be able to stay in, but not everyone. some people who need to be safe at home might now be forced to make the decision to go back to work and risk dying or stay and home and get fired. old people, immune compromised people, pregnant moms, etc have jobs too. currently, they can collect unemployment. if they are fired for not showing up for work, they cannot.
I'm not going to be heading to a bar anytime soon
you are smart enough to realize that staying away from people is indeed safer. you are smart enough to implement safe practices at you and your wife's businesses. its fantastic that you are doing that. the problem is many people are not. many people are idiots. stay at home was protecting us from idiots. the idiots will ruin it for all of us, no matter which side of the debate we are on. was a state wide shutdown an overreach? maybe. but we have laws and people in charge because the average citizen is like a 14 y.o. boy. - without direction and someone else in charge, he will inevitably set himself on fire or set his friend on fire. he thinks he knows what good decisions are, but most of the time he's wrong.
if a customer showed up at your wife's salon and said "I have COVID and I want to come in for a haircut", would you let them in? Yes or no, those people are coming, and they aren't going to warn you.
Dan
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Same problem here. I work with 40 other people. Does one of them have the right to go out to a bar, get covid and drag it back to work, getting 20 other people sick in the process? Your rights only extend until you infringe on other people's rights. That's how society works.
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Your rights only extend until you infringe on other people's rights.
Kind of like how the WI Supreme Court just ruled that the safer at home order was unlawful
FWIW many cities have already implemented their own version of safer at home orders, mine included, that extend beyond the original order by a few days
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Kind of like how the WI Supreme Court just ruled that the safer at home order was unlawful
I haven't read the ruling, but I'm sure it's reasonably fair. The legislature makes laws and can change them if they see fit, but it takes time. The executive branch took a quick action that it thought was necessary. That action was challenged in the judicial branch and was overturned. Checks and balances in action. I don't have a problem with any of that.
This is what I was reacting to:
Wait did I miss the part where without a stay at home order you HAVE to go out of your house?
Yes, I do have to leave my house. I need money to pay rent. I need to buy food. I also don't want to want to get severely ill, and would appreciate it if other people could not congregate because they think their right to drink a beer at a bar is more important than other peoples right not not get severely ill/die. Most people can be that courteous on their own. Those people at Nick's Bar obviously need some guidance from above so that we can try to slow this pandemic down.
Everyone has their own idea of where the line is between protecting peoples health versus protecting the economy, but too many people don't recognize that their behavior has a very real and tangible effect on other peoples lives. That goes for both sides. I'm not saying I have the answer here, just that everyone seems to think they have the answer and don't spend enough time listening to people who think differently than they do.
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you are smart enough to realize that staying away from people is indeed safer. you are smart enough to implement safe practices at you and your wife's businesses. its fantastic that you are doing that. the problem is many people are not. many people are idiots. stay at home was protecting us from idiots. the idiots will ruin it for all of us, no matter which side of the debate we are on. was a state wide shutdown an overreach? maybe. but we have laws and people in charge because the average citizen is like a 14 y.o. boy. - without direction and someone else in charge, he will inevitably set himself on fire or set his friend on fire. he thinks he knows what good decisions are, but most of the time he's wrong.
if a customer showed up at your wife's salon and said "I have COVID and I want to come in for a haircut", would you let them in? Yes or no, those people are coming, and they aren't going to warn you.
It is MY responsibility to protect MYSELF from idiots. Not the government. I HATE that the government made a law requiring seatbelts, I ALWAYS wear them, to protect myself, not to be protected by the government. If I'M at risk then I don't go to places where I could be exposed. This is all MY responsibility. I do not need, not want the government to do it for me.
That is the difference here.
Same thing with the people at the salon, people who are sick or think they are sick are asked not to come. If they are showing symptoms and come anyway, they are asked to leave. Staff is wearing masks and in some cases face shields, clients are required to wear face masks. If a staff member feels to uncomfortable with the situation, they are not coming in. This isn't racket science. This is personal responsibility, and part of that responsibility is understanding that there are idiots out there and doing what you need to, to mitigate risk. If I was 97, asthmatic, and was going through Chemo, my risk would be a lot different than if I was 27, and healthy. Sure, bad things can happen to anyone, but it's about managing risk as you see fit for yourself. As soon as the government tries to manage my risk for me, it's a no-go.
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Hard to have a sense of humor about 100,000 dead.
People mockingly fake heart attacks all the time - Thousands die from hear disease every year
People mock bad drivers and car accidents, - thousands die in car crashes every year
People make fun of fat people and diabetes - see first line
Humor is humor. If you can only make fun of pure innocent things, life gets REALLY boring.
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Pepsi got the market cornered on this dystopian future product placement
Mmmmm Corn syrup. Who drinks high priced water + co2 with corn syrup and caramel coloring?
#stirringthepot
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Mmmmm Corn syrup. Who drinks high priced water + co2 with corn syrup and caramel coloring?
#stirringthepot
I used to, before I got old and fat. It's still delicious.
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Dane county blowin up.
How does this compare to the number of tests being done? It looks alarming but it needs to be overlaid with how many tests are being done, otherwise it is useless. Also death numbers would be helpful. According to DHS it does not appear that deaths in Dane county are rising at all thankfully. DHS
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