Coronavirus
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You see it as different priorities (so you can make me look bad and stand on your tower and look down at me)
i'm no better than you, we are just different, like I said. we both have a view on this issue that looks to help others, just in different ways. i'd rather more people be alive and struggling with life, than some people dead so that the rest of people can live their normal lives. (normal being defined as: how life was before this started)
and my view is not narrow minded, i understand the possible consequences of the opinion i've chosen to support.
Rich, so sorry to hear your news. It sucks this is hitting close to home for some of us.
Dan
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I don't think that mockery and straw man attacks really does anything to further the conversation along here. Especially given the gravity of the situation we're dealing with.
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I don't think that mockery and straw man attacks really does anything to further the conversation along here. Especially given the gravity of the situation we're dealing with.
It was just some satire
There are much darker things that get laughed at every day.The video was not directed at anyone in particular. You don't need to correct everyone who doesn't agree with the CNN narrative. You confirm the satire of the video if you don't think for yourself and just accept the hysteria created by the media.
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That guy is hilarious. While it might not further the conversation here (we all seem to be pretty level headed in this discussion, with the exception of me), it definitely makes for some much needed laughter. Also, satire, while often mean, can sometimes open the eyes of someone with tunnel vision. We all get it in various parts of our lives.
If you can't laugh at some aspect of a situation, then we really have lost all hope.
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That guy is hilarious. While it might not further the conversation here (we all seem to be pretty level headed in this discussion, with the exception of me), it definitely makes for some much needed laughter. Also, satire, while often mean, can sometimes open the eyes of someone with tunnel vision. We all get it in various parts of our lives.
If you can't laugh at some aspect of a situation, then we really have lost all hope.
Exactly, whether you agree with it or not it is still funny.
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Today at my moms company 25 people were let go (in a company of 175), all remaining employees are taking a 20% pay cut. She is the HR person. My sister also lost her job in March. It took 6 weeks for unemployment benefits to start working out for her. I will not be surprised at all if I lose my job in July or August.
It feels like I know more people who have taken a pay cut or lost their job than not at this point. Fortunately I still dont know of anyone first hand who has gotten sick.
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Pay cuts seems like really opportunistic behavior on the part of employers, but if the alternative is getting laid off I guess it's hard to say no. I wouldn't want to have to be looking for a job right now.
I must be lucky. We were slow at the beginning of the year, but things are busy for us now and show no signs of slowing down. I also don't know anyone who's gotten sick, but stand by my prediction that Wisconsin will get hit hard starting in late June and going though into August at least. Probably 1000-3000 new cases per day. At this point I'd say that we started our lock down a week or two earlier than maybe we should have, but it's easy to say that now having 2-3 months of data to look back on. This is new territory for everyone.
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Pay cuts seems like really opportunistic behavior on the part of employers, but if the alternative is getting laid off I guess it's hard to say no. I wouldn't want to have to be looking for a job right now.
I've had my pay and some benefits cut but it's very much preferrred to losing my job. What makes it feel a bit opportunistic on their part, however, is that I'm being asked to work the same (if not more) hours and still expected to meet the same deadlines. A number of my coworkers are in Europe/Canada where labor laws have prevented my employer from doing the same reduced pay/same hours shenanigans. It has been sort of entertaining to watch management try to explain why they rest of the offices have time off without saying 'because we can'.
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We have still been quite busy as well, that being said we will see what the June-Aug timeframe brings. So far medical device manufacturing/drug filling has seemingly been undisturbed. There have been some changing in focus areas but everything still seems like it’s “full steam ahead”
there are automotive/consumer portions of our business that have definitely slowed down
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We have been finishing up a few projects but everything has been crickets for future projects. Companies are very afraid to lay out dollars for development with such uncertainty. I'm very fearful of what will happen with my group if things don't start looking good. We can weather a storm for awhile, but not forever. 2019 was rough, so we were playing catch up, and 2020 was looking awesome until we got kicked in the teeth by the shutdown.
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I was moved to working from home right before the lockdown. All client worked immediately stopped, except for a school client. My boss permanently closed our office and moved out in April. Our company was luckily to get the small business loan to help with expenses for a couple months. Future is unknown, but closing the office was not a positive omen.
Dan
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Relaxed restrictions does not mean that the virus does not exist anymore. These kinds of knuckle-draggers that are rushing into crowded spaces with abandon are the ones who are going to mess it up. By all means open things up, but be responsible about it. So within about 2 weeks we should see a massive spike in new cases. I sure hope im wrong.
Make sure to celebrate this victory by kissing every stranger you see with a nice open-mouthed kiss. I'm gonna be burning my mask later along with some of the extra toilet paper I thought I was going to need. PROTIP: Hand sanitizer is great for getting fires started!
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I agree that the stay at home plan that covers the entire state does not consider the differences in locations, and is not a perfect plan. but now we have NO plan. how is that better?
someone said:
In a joint statement, Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald, R-Juneau, and Assembly Speaker Robin Vos, R-Rochester, indicated they want to create new administrative rules to manage the pandemic.
The two leaders added they believe businesses can safely reopen using COVID-19 guidelines created by the Wisconsin Economic Development Corp., and that they trust Wisconsinites to continue to follow social distancing, handwashing and telecommuting without an extensive state order.
Rep. Senators: Go to court to Cancel Stay at Home
also Rep. Senators: Believe people will do the right thing and be safe on their own
People: Pack the bars shoulder to shoulder with no masks and no social distancing.
Obvious outcome. Hopefully no innocent people get hurt.
Meeting new people now is going to be like the Walking Dead.
How many bars have you been to?
How many masks have you worn?
How many people have you killed?
Why?
Dan
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they trust Wisconsinites to continue to follow social distancing, handwashing and telecommuting without an extensive state order.
That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard, and those bar videos prove exactly why the order was necessary. They're either wildly out of touch with reality or trying to cover ulterior motives, and I'm inclined to believe the latter based on their track record.
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I like drinking as much as the next guy, but people’s fixation on having to do it in a bar is stupid. I have a feeling it’s more so the fact that the “man” is no longer holding people down from doing stuff.
As if it wasn’t enough that the rest of the country looks at us as the drunken morons.
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Wait did I miss the part where without a stay at home order you HAVE to go out of your house? As far as I am aware if you are worried about the virus or any other thing you can stay home indefinitely if you want to.
https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/covid-19/deaths.htm
I guess we wait a couple weeks and look at the data again to see if the line moves from it's very horizontal trajectory. Deaths per day have been a steady flat line since the beginning of April. It will be pretty easy to see if the line starts trending upwards.
What is quite bad is the 43% of WI deaths are happening at old folks homes. And 71% of deaths are of people 70 or older. So hmm, I won't go see any elderly family or friends.
I personally will choose not to go to a packed bar, or even Walmart, etc. I don't need a "law" to tell me I can't. Even in non pandemic time I still avoid those places
Edit: And don't be scared, there are already local extensions where most of you live anyway.
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People are missing the point of why the order was reversed. IT WAS ILLEGAL. Put something else in place, fine. But if you give up freedoms for a small amount of security, you are already done for. We have checks and balances in place for this exact reason.
I'm not going to be heading to a bar anytime soon, but I'm glad that I can decide that. If you are so fucking worried about what everyone else does, get a job as a policeman or teacher or something.
My wife's spa is fully reopening Monday. There is a long list of new internal regulations that she is implementing (on her own, not per any ordinances). People will be asked ot comply or not come.
The funny thing is, all hair stylists and nail techs are trained in disease control, sterilization, etc. They literally have to take a 4 credit course every year or two on hygiene to stay up to date. They are trained more than any other profession on how to keep clients and themselves safe, yet they've been shut down the longest. It just goes to show you that the people who determined the shut down had no idea of reality.
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