Coronavirus
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Japan is a quirky and fascinating place, and I have been traveling there for all sorts of work and other reasons for almost 40 years. I expect there is extensive under reporting. The issue is not governmental control over reporting as in China but aspects of Japanese society and medical profession. Japan has an inverted population pyramid with a large elderly population often with little in the way of family support/check-ins. Many of them are shut ins and as such I expect there are illnesses and deaths at home that have yet to be discovered. Social norms about disease are also such that there would be patterns of self-isolation, and again the absence of check-ins. There are also community separations and histories of discrimination such that these communities would turn inward and the rest of Japan would not look to closely. This includes the economic lower class burakumin communities, areas with concentrations of ethnic Korean and Chinese, as well as more recent migrant communities that are employed under the radar so to speak and often lack access to social services.
Although there is a national health care system, there is a tendency of medical professionals to avoid reporting things they do not understand and in the context of the Olympic push I expect a pattern among higher ups to avoid looking for and revealing information that could have placed the event at risk. There is also a tendency of medical personnel to hide information from patients and family about causes of serious illnesses and death to avoid disturbing them with bad news. This has often been a pattern in cancer diagnoses, since the diagnosis suggested the sureity of death.
Now a more positive spin on the low numbers to date is that the Japanese practice of facemask use when folks have colds or allergies is extensive and their widespread access to masks may have acted as a check. Bottom line is that I would expect the Japan numbers to rise extensively.
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One thing I've never understood from the beginning of this is if the disease is so infectious and deadly, why are there jillions of people dead in China? Those people are packed in like sardines in the cities over there.
I fully realize their socialist/communist/whatever the hell they are now government is going to bury the truth about how many people croaked out but there are so many American and European corporate interests over there at this point, there's NO WAY they could hide the numbers that should be dead. If nothing else they should be smelling the tens of millions of rotting corpses in Japan by now, right?
China acted pretty fast, and the Wuhan/China lockdown was in place about 3 weeks after the disease was discovered. and has been said, with their government, REALLY locked down. New York City metro area, which is about the size of Wuhan, took the same amount of time to lock down after the first reported case. its obvious that not everyone listened or at lease adopted the ideas slowly. considering the spread of the virus is exponential (one sick person gets multiple more people sick), at least a week of delay, and likely under-reported China cases, I think the difference in cases between New York (240,000) and China (90,000) is not unusual.
you also seem to be ignoring the fact that measures are being done to stop the spread, and in our fast-communicating world, it has helped. people keep saying its not that bad and conveniently ignore that the measures (like social distancing) in place are why. read about the flu epidemic of 1918. it was equally as contagious, but actually less deadly (percentage of people who got the disease and survived was higher). we have history and experience with a pandemic like this. experts arent just making shit up, it's happened before. we dont have millions of people dead because of the measures that have been put in place. do you really need to see millions of people dead to start thinking "oh shit this is a problem".
Dan
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To trust anything being reported out of China is foolish
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For the exact reason you said. It's a communist country. They lock everything down and tell people to stay inside and they do it. Disease can't spread if no one is outside to spread it.
Got your point, still don't understand given the population density in those cities how it couldn't spread like wildfire before they realized they needed to go on full lockdown. And to reiterate, I don't believe their numbers, but it just seems it would have been so out of control by the time they went on lockdown, they wouldn't have been able to hide what was going on.
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and here we go. Safer in handcuffs
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and here we go. Safer in handcuffs
I was at the rally on Friday at the Capital. The police told the early arrivals to leave about a half hour before it started and they were just ignored. They backed down and let it go on with no interference. It would have been tough to ticket/arrest 2000+ people...
It's hard to say your grounds for arresting someone when what you are saying is the constitution is suspended because someone defines it as emergency times.
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I was at the rally on Friday at the Capital.
RIP
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If this goes against everything this country was created for and she (the woman who opened her business) ends up infecting & killing someone, then she should get charged with murder. You can’t have it both ways, while thinking you are not privileged.
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If this goes against everything this country was created for and she (the woman who opened her business) ends up infecting & killing someone, then she should get charged with murder. You can’t have it both ways, while thinking you are not privileged.
I think you are missing the part where nobody has to go to the store if they don't want to ...
Should WalMart be charged with murder if someone gets Covid19 there? That is following the same logic as your statement.
If I was 80 years old I would probably stay home and ask a healthy friend to drop stuff off for me. I'm 30 and healthy so I am not worried about it. I am also not visiting anyone that might be at risk.
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I think you are missing the part where nobody has to go to the store if they don't want to ...
Should WalMart be charged with murder if someone gets Covid19 there? That is following the same logic as your statement.
If I was 80 years old I would probably stay home and ask a healthy friend to drop stuff off for me. I'm 30 and healthy so I am not worried about it. I am also not visiting anyone that might be at risk.
Not missing anything, I said if she ends up infecting and killing someone. Don’t assume my logic applies to to corporations the same way.
You have to understand that this is a state law set by the government, dumber laws that are harmless have worse consequences. People who whine about the economy and getting back to work are the real chumps.
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Not missing anything, I said if she ends up infecting and killing someone. Don’t assume my logic applies to to corporations the same way.
You have to understand that this is a state law set by the government, dumber laws that are harmless have worse consequences. People who whine about the economy and getting back to work are the real chumps.
So a corporation has immunity and a small business does not?
I am challenging they notion that it makes sense to have a massive building packed with people like Walmart or similar stores but yet a lady doing curbside drop off of a pet is dangerous and needs to be arrested?
What is really going on here is that if a governor tried to make all Walmart's in their state close they would be at the wrong end of a lawsuit within hours.
You do realize that about 647,000 people in the USA died from heart disease last year? That is 12,400 in a week. Ref
So should we ban McDonald's? Cigarettes? Shut the country down? Let's get started solving that problem!
Read here to find that the week of 4/11 had the worst death toll for Covid19 and it was 11,468. Therefore the worst week of Covid19 was not even what the average week of people dying of heart disease, and last week was down to 1,078. The media likes to use sensational numbers but that is baseless and unhelpful like a graph with no units.
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Read here to find that the week of 4/11 had the worst death toll for Covid19 and it was 11,468. Therefore the worst week of Covid19 was not even what the average week of people dying of heart disease, and last week was down to 1,078. The media likes to use sensational numbers but that is baseless and unhelpful like a graph with no units.
lol, more trolling
Dan
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lol, more trolling
Both links are right to the CDC website, It's not just CNN, FOX or other unreliable sources.
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If this goes against everything this country was created for and she (the woman who opened her business) ends up infecting & killing someone, then she should get charged with murder. You can’t have it both ways, while thinking you are not privileged.
As of 4/29/20 @8:00am her curbside service for dog grooming is now “legally” able to operate.
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You do realize that about 647,000 people in the USA died from heart disease last year? That is 12,400 in a week. Ref
So should we ban McDonald's? Cigarettes? Shut the country down? Let's get started solving that problem!
Read here to find that the week of 4/11 had the worst death toll for Covid19 and it was 11,468. Therefore the worst week of Covid19 was not even what the average week of people dying of heart disease, and last week was down to 1,078. The media likes to use sensational numbers but that is baseless and unhelpful like a graph with no units.
That's a pretty subjective comparison, though.The worst weekly death toll for covid is with a stay at home order and businesses everywhere closed. Had that not been implemented, and the government said to carry on with all of your normal behaviors and don't change anything, I would ASSUME that number would significantly higher.
And there's too many variables in heart disease to use that as a broad comparison to this by saying we should ban mcdonalds, cigarettes, etc.
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Both links are right to the CDC website, It's not just CNN, FOX or other unreliable sources.
Please tell me you know the difference between heart disease and COVID-19. You know that high blood pressure, congenital heart disease, arrhythmia, heart attacks, etc. they're not contagious, right? You know that many aren't 100% preventable and can typically be effectively managed through medication, healthy diet and genetic luck... right? That deaths caused by these diseases is either due to neglect over years and years, a shortened lifespan in which that person was still able to live a long life after a diagnosis or genetic misfortune, right? You know that the danger of COVID-19 is it's ability to spread rapidly throughout the world within a matter of months let alone how quickly it can take over a town, county, etc., right?
Here's a shitty map I made quickly based on the positive cases since the beginning of April by county illustrating where the positive case growth is. Data provided by the Wisconsin DHS, not an unreliable source. As you'll notice the greatest rate of growth this month has been outside of the large metro areas and moved into rural counties. Based on this data I say we shut down the rural counties.
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I honestly dont know where I stand on the whole thing. Like EVERYTHING there are two sides to it, there is no one correct answer that works best for all, and I see things both ways. I think the plan set in place is a fair attempt to strike some sort of balance of safety and economic advancement.
Im keeping an eye on Georgia's stats over the next couple weeks to see if things blow up over there.
While we are at it, just be cause someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they hate you.
I use "you" universally.
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I honestly dont know where I stand on the whole thing. Like EVERYTHING there are two sides to it, there is no one correct answer that works best for all, and I see things both ways. I think the plan set in place is a fair attempt to strike some sort of balance of safety and economic advancement.
Im keeping an eye on Georgia's stats over the next couple weeks to see if things blow up over there.
While we are at it, just be cause someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they hate you.
I use "you" universally.
No. Please pick one side or the other, communicate in your personalized online echo chamber, and whatever you do, do not listen to any differing opinion towards your own whatsoever.
Thank you,
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No. Please pick one side or the other, communicate in your personalized online echo chamber, and whatever you do, do not listen to any differing opinion towards your own whatsoever.
Thank you,
How dare you reject my opinion.
I challenge you to fisticuffs!
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