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Calling all M54 gurus! HELP!

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  • TkuhnT
    TkuhnT
    Tkuhn
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    #5

    GunMetalGrey said:

    Oh, I stopped reading that sentence early lol.
    I know that they tend to burn oil, and my dad has a 330 that has been burning oil for quite some time so it seems to be consistent across the board. 

    Does his smoke pretty bad on start up? After looking at a few videos my symptoms seem to be that of valve seals. But i also see that the rings tend to get gunked up and are not able to fully expand. A few people used fuel injector cleaner and poured it into the spark plug holes and let it sit for a day and it raised the compression from almost nothing to 120 psi. Once i get down to the garage and do a comp test i may have more insight into this

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    • ThatRatRodProjectT
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      ThatRatRodProject
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      #6

      The m54 is know to burn oil.

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      • TkuhnT
        TkuhnT
        Tkuhn
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        #7

        ThatRatRodProject said:

        The m54 is know to burn oil.

        9e6724cb87566287013e40f9c9ed1036.png

        b5d37748f9f075ec4dc7122086214170.png

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        That's what I have been told and read, but again oil consumption is one thing. The billowing clouds are another I would think.

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        • TkuhnT
          TkuhnT
          Tkuhn
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          #8

          Here are the compression test numbers. Car ran for a little under 10 min before I performed the test.

          Spark plugs were a little wet and it was not fuel.

          150353001469623670706.jpg

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          • KaiserRollsK
            KaiserRollsK
            KaiserRolls
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            #9

            Brave soul performing a compression test and posting it here. There's been bad juju all here regarding compression tests lately haha

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            • JeffJ
              JeffJ
              Jeff
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              #10

              Can you post pictures of plugs also a video of the smoke would be helpful.

              1976 530i e12
              1990 325ix e30
              1992 325i e36
              1995 740il e38
              2001 330xi e46
              ^More to come :)

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              • ThatRatRodProjectT
                ThatRatRodProjectT
                ThatRatRodProject
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                #11

                Tkuhn said:

                ThatRatRodProject said:

                The m54 is know to burn oil.

                9e6724cb87566287013e40f9c9ed1036.png

                b5d37748f9f075ec4dc7122086214170.png

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                That's what I have been told and read, but again oil consumption is one thing. The billowing clouds are another I would think. 

                As far as I'm aware Oil consumption is mostly caused by burning oil where else is it going to go.

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                • TkuhnT
                  TkuhnT
                  Tkuhn
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                  Jeff said:

                  Can you post pictures of plugs also a video of the smoke would be helpful.

                  I will try to get the video up after work along with some photos of the plugs!

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                  • TkuhnT
                    TkuhnT
                    Tkuhn
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #13

                    ThatRatRodProject said:

                    As far as I'm aware Oil consumption is mostly caused by burning oil where else is it going to go.

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                    I believe you took that wrong. Yes oil consumption is caused by burning oil, I think we all can understand that. But when it comes to excessive smoke out the exhaust it's more than a standard "oil consumption" issue and all I was looking for was some people with experience beyond knowing that there are oil consumption issues with the m54. I appreciate the specs but this issue is more than reading the manual.

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                    • TkuhnT
                      TkuhnT
                      Tkuhn
                      wrote on last edited by
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                      KaiserRolls said:

                      Brave soul performing a compression test and posting it here. There's been bad juju all here regarding compression tests lately haha

                      I wasn't aware buttt I suppose if a person believes in that time will tell haha

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                      • jc43089J
                        jc43089J
                        jc43089
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                        I know it is a different engine but just for comparison.  My m50 smokes a little, Pretty sure it is ring blowby in my case because it smokes most under WOT.  The m50 has no catch can/ oil separator, it just goes from the valve cover to the intake manifold (stock) and the baffling in the valve cover is not good enough to keep oil from going with the air.  It has 275k on it so I don't feel it's abnormal.  It doesn't hang in the air like a diesel but it is a visible smoke on startup and when romping on it.  I don't keep great records but I think I add a quart every 1000-1500 miles, some is due to leaks though.  

                        Compare to a 2 stroke engine.  Assuming 25mpg, 1k miles is 40 gallons of fuel, mixed 50:1 that is 3.2 quarts of oil per 1k miles.  You aren't near that much so I wouldn't think it would cause plug fouling problems.  A little lube for the cylinders is good anyway.  

                        How's that for redneck engineering?

                        2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                        3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                        '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                        '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                        '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                        '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                        '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                        • B
                          B
                          B C
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                          #16

                          how many tanks of fuel have run through the engine?

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                          • jc43089J
                            jc43089J
                            jc43089
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                            At 25mpg about 11000 gallons.  

                            687.5 tanks at 16 gallons/tank, I think it is actually a little bigger than that.

                            2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                            3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                            '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                            '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                            '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                            '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                            '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                            • TkuhnT
                              TkuhnT
                              Tkuhn
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                              #18

                              Snap said:

                              how many tanks of fuel have run through the engine?

                              Since this started about 2 tanks. One of which was under heavy abuse.

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                              • TkuhnT
                                TkuhnT
                                Tkuhn
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #19

                                jc43089 said:

                                I know it is a different engine but just for comparison.  My m50 smokes a little, Pretty sure it is ring blowby in my case because it smokes most under WOT.  The m50 has no catch can/ oil separator, it just goes from the valve cover to the intake manifold (stock) and the baffling in the valve cover is not good enough to keep oil from going with the air.  It has 275k on it so I don't feel it's abnormal.  It doesn't hang in the air like a diesel but it is a visible smoke on startup and when romping on it.  I don't keep great records but I think I add a quart every 1000-1500 miles, some is due to leaks though.  

                                Compare to a 2 stroke engine.  Assuming 25mpg, 1k miles is 40 gallons of fuel, mixed 50:1 that is 3.2 quarts of oil per 1k miles.  You aren't near that much so I wouldn't think it would cause plug fouling problems.  A little lube for the cylinders is good anyway.  

                                How's that for redneck engineering?

                                Hahaha I don't disagree there, but to me it's abnormal for alot hanging smoke to be in the air after start up and at idle and when blipping the throttle. I went through a quart in one tank of gas, so something has to be wrong. After a good compression test result im leaning toward valve seals.

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                                • TkuhnT
                                  TkuhnT
                                  Tkuhn
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #20

                                  NOTE: while the car was running I removed the oil cap and got the hissing noise as I removed it. Meaning the crank case is under a fair amount of pressure. From research this means the CCV failed, but I have no CCV. Thoughts on that?

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                                  • JeffJ
                                    JeffJ
                                    Jeff
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                                    I would be checking to see if you have any broken ccv hoses first.

                                    1976 530i e12
                                    1990 325ix e30
                                    1992 325i e36
                                    1995 740il e38
                                    2001 330xi e46
                                    ^More to come :)

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                                    • TkuhnT
                                      TkuhnT
                                      Tkuhn
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #22

                                      Jeff said:

                                      I would be checking to see if you have any broken ccv hoses first.

                                      Jeff said:

                                      The CCV is deleted with a sealed system catch can set up, description is in original post

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                                      • JeffJ
                                        JeffJ
                                        Jeff
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                                        #23

                                        How are you pulling ccv gases??

                                        1976 530i e12
                                        1990 325ix e30
                                        1992 325i e36
                                        1995 740il e38
                                        2001 330xi e46
                                        ^More to come :)

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                                        • jc43089J
                                          jc43089J
                                          jc43089
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #24

                                          You shouldn't have a dead end system, it needs to vent somewhere. Preferably into the intake. A quart per tank of gas is a lot. The crankcase should ideally have a vacuum when idling from the intake sucking from it. At minimum it should vent through a catch can to atmosphere.

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                                          2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                                          3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                                          '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                                          '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                                          '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                                          '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                                          '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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