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  • HipMFH
    HipMFH
    HipMF
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    #292

    Snap said:

    -I realized I need a plate between the M52 throttle body and M50 manifold for them to seal properly. Right now its two rubber seals up against eachother.

    You probably already have a solution, but If you draw something up in CAD, I can cut an adapter out of phenolic on the CNC router. I wouldn't be able to do it until next weekend though.

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      HipMF said:

      Snap said:

      -I realized I need a plate between the M52 throttle body and M50 manifold for them to seal properly. Right now its two rubber seals up against eachother.

      You probably already have a solution, but If you draw something up in CAD, I can cut an adapter out of phenolic on the CNC router. I wouldn't be able to do it until next weekend though.

      Awesome, I will take you up on that! I will PM you

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      • GunMetalGreyG
        GunMetalGreyG
        GunMetalGrey
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        #294

        Sourcing an E36 PS pump seems like it would be less complicated compared to making panjo bolts.

        I don't recall if you can just throw the pulley from an E36 on the E30 PS pump and bolt it into the e36/9 bracket or not.

        Which manifold and throttle body are you using?
        Edit: I'm a fool. 
        Reasoning for sticking with the OBD2 throttle body?

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        • m42b32M
          m42b32M
          m42b32
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          #295

          Snap said:

          I think I will go with the StopTech Street Performance Brake Pads this time around (good riddance Metalmasters) 

          https://www.turnermotorsport.com/c-278-stoptech-street-performance-brake-pads

          I just saw this, I have the Stoptech Sport on my e30 (slightly more aggressive but more dust, they didn't have any of the street pads available for my brakes) and they're fantastic. The braking is WAY better than my E36 with Bosch quietcast pads. 

          In case you haven't ordered them yet, Rockauto has them for half the price of Turner!!

          http://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/bmw,1991,318is,1.8l+l4,1011373,brake+&+wheel+hub,brake+pad,1684

          1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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          • B
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            #296

            Thanks for the heads up and feedback on those pads, I didnt think the turner price was too bad to begin with either

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              #297

              GunMetalGrey said:

              Sourcing an E36 PS pump seems like it would be less complicated compared to making panjo bolts.
              I have an E36 pump too. It doesnt fit. ~12mm needs to be removed from the mounting bracket to make it fit, even with a stepped pulley

              I don't recall if you can just throw the pulley from an E36 on the E30 PS pump and bolt it into the e36/9 bracket or not.
              That is definitely something to look at. I know I compared the E30 to the E36 and it wouldnt work, but didnt consider that combo you posted. I have an M16 to M14 adapter arriving in the mail today which will allow me to use the E39 pump with the E30/E36 lines.

              Which manifold and throttle body are you using?
              Edit: I'm a fool. 
              Reasoning for sticking with the OBD2 throttle body?

              Mostly just because I ended up with 2 of them and didn't realize there was a difference in the sealing arrangement when I ordered all my seals so. The M50 manifold I bought ( $75 shipped, very good deal) didnt come with a throttle body. it doesnt make a big enough difference to me between adding a plate between the OBD2 throttle and buying an M50 throttle. I am mostly just using what  I have bought

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              • GunMetalGreyG
                GunMetalGreyG
                GunMetalGrey
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                #298

                Did you stick with the e39 oil filter housing? Sounds like you have things sorted out, but just curious as to why the e36 stuff didn't work, and that's the only thing I can think of. 

                The end is closer by the day!

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                  Daggerty
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                  #299

                  I have a few m50 tbs

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                    Daggerty
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                    #300

                    I also have a m52 tb on my m50 manifold with no plate and boosted, with no leaks.

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                      I had a busy day outside of the garage but i was able to finish up the last items that I needed to do before putting the intake manifold on. This mostly consisted of getting all the power steering limes situated. The adapter i bought for the pump worked out, i had to shorten both low pressure lines for the new PS reservoir location.

                      The low pressure line that connects to the rack was not going to allow the hose to connect to the reservoir. I pulled this banjo fitting (left) off the spare e36 pump i had and am using it instead of the E30 line (right). It works much better and im happy with my hydraulic line situation, although i dont want to touch them ever again. Hate those things.

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                      The manifold is torqued down. I just have to connect the icv hose, evap hose, intake/maf, and coilpack ground straps and i will be ready to fire it up. I am at a christmas party now so i will have to finish it up tomorrow around 4p

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                      • EarlE
                        EarlE
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                        #302

                        I cannot believe I see 24 valves in that car...

                        museum sig 2earl.jpg

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                        • KaiserRollsK
                          KaiserRollsK
                          KaiserRolls
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                          #303

                          Earl said:

                          I cannot believe I see 24 valves in that car...

                          It’s been a long road to recovery, but we’ve finally worn him out

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                            It started, its running.... poorly.

                            The positive: everything is connected properly, no leaks or strange noises that I can tell, lifters are much quieter than expected.

                            The negative: cylinders 2 and 4 seem to be dead.

                            Cylinders 2 and 4 have spark so I pulled out the compression tester 🤭 (horrible idea, I know) but to my relief they were both 190 psi. I removed and replaced the injector harness to ensure everything was clipped in correctly and ran it again with no improvement.

                            Possible issues:

                            -injectors are bad (they were cleaned and tested, but who knows)

                            -injector wiring harness is bad

                            -injector drivers (ECU) are bad

                            Overall, for all the screwing around involved with the engine swap, cam swap/timing, and obd1 conversion, im happy to at least see that it fires up and runs.

                            The next time I work on the car I will swap injectors around and see if the problem follows the injectors as well as checking continuity with the injector harness and ecu pins

                            I will win this

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                            • JeffJ
                              JeffJ
                              Jeff
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                              Snap said:

                              It started, its running.... poorly.

                              [emoji29]

                              Too many valves????

                              1976 530i e12
                              1990 325ix e30
                              1992 325i e36
                              1995 740il e38
                              2001 330xi e46
                              ^More to come :)

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                                #306

                                ROFL

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                                  Daggerty
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                                  #307

                                  If you need a noid light tester let me know I'm off the next three days.

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                                  • jc43089J
                                    jc43089J
                                    jc43089
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                                    #308

                                    You could use a screwdriver or stethoscope to see if those injectors are clicking like the others while running.

                                    Another thought is bad spark plug boots causing the spark to be shorted out when actually installed.  I assume you had the coil pack pulled out and laid on top to test?

                                    2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                                    3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                                    '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                                    '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                                    '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                                    '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                                    '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                                      jc43089 said:

                                      You could use a screwdriver or stethoscope to see if those injectors are clicking like the others while running.  

                                      I tried a screwdriver and also a piece of hose and I wasn't able to really hear any real contrast. 

                                      Daggerty said:

                                      If you need a noid light tester let me know I'm off the next three days.

                                      I'm a bit in the doghouse for wrenching so much this weekend (ha!), Is this a tool you'd be willing to let me borrow for a week while i find the right opportunity to get back into the garage?

                                      I also wonder how much the mixture and old gas has to do with things. I dont have the O2 sensor connected because the exhaust isnt finished and the fuel in the tank is probably a year and a half old.

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                                      • jc43089J
                                        jc43089J
                                        jc43089
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                                        Bad gas could be a significant problem.  Especially if it was not ethanol free.  I would disconnect a feed line and jumper the pump relay to pump it out into a jug.  Then hook the line back up and put fresh gas in and then run the pump with the jumper again for a minute to circulate it.  Then run it again.

                                        o2 sensor isn't a problem for a cold start.

                                        2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                                        3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                                        '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                                        '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                                        '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                                        '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                                        '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                                        • GunMetalGreyG
                                          GunMetalGreyG
                                          GunMetalGrey
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                                          #311

                                          I personally have never had issues with old gas, but I wouldn't rule it out. 

                                          Is your ground coming out of the injector harness "box" good?
                                          Easy enough to crack that case open and check the wiring at the injectors. 
                                          Double check to make sure the plugs are all seated on the injectors, sometimes those can be a bit finicky. 

                                          What spark plugs are you using? 

                                          Glad it's running! I also like your throttle cable! 😄

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