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the one and only e30 s52 engine swap

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  • KaiserRollsK
    KaiserRollsK
    KaiserRolls
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    #152

    GunMetalGrey said:

    Did you form or purchase the plate that is welded in the open area of the rear trailing arm?
    I've been wanting to do something similar as a "skid plate" for the lifted car lol.

    Garagistic makes them

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    • AsparagusMikeA
      AsparagusMikeA
      AsparagusMike
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      I'm sure a lot of you guys have heard of or are familiar with the whole rx7 caliper bbk for the e30, whats ur opinions on it? Any experiences with the setup?

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      • KaiserRollsK
        KaiserRollsK
        KaiserRolls
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        #154

        AsparagusMike said:

        I'm sure a lot of you guys have heard of or are familiar with the whole rx7 caliper bbk for the e30, whats ur opinions on it? Any experiences with the setup?

        I run brembo blanks, stock calipers, good pads and fluid, stainless lines, etc - I have yet to find myself needing more brake for regular driving and for autocross.

        What are your plans for the car?

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        • AsparagusMikeA
          AsparagusMikeA
          AsparagusMike
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          #155

          KaiserRolls said:

          What are your plans for the car?

          Well hopefully find my way into doing some auto-x/track events as well as enjoying it occasionally on the weekends driving around to meets and what not. On what I've read up and researched, people that have done the conversion say that when tracking the car the brakes are quite a bit better over the stock calipers with the same pads and the longevity of the pad life increases substantially. Also, the conversion itself is so so simple and inexpensive that I almost feel its worth giving it a try.

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          • m42b32M
            m42b32M
            m42b32
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            #156

            The biggest downside to the rx7 brakes is that you are then stuck with using specially machined rotors, which isn't a big deal if you have spares on hand, but you can't overnight something off the shelf if you ever need one in a pinch and they're going to be generally more expensive. If you're tracking the car the bigger brakes will deal with heat better, but as long as you can lock up your tires (which you can on stock brakes), bigger brakes won't necessarily stop you any sooner than stock rotors and good pads.

            1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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            • EarlE
              EarlE
              Earl
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              #157

              I thought you run corrado rotors?

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              • GunMetalGreyG
                GunMetalGreyG
                GunMetalGrey
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                #158

                ^ Yeah, with the center-bore opened up 1mm. 
                I had built a set of them, but they didn't fit under my wheels so I sold em. 

                A friend had them on his car and seemed to have serious lock up "issues", like his modulation was negatively affected. 

                A good high carbon rotor and good pads had always treated me very well. (Centric rotors(stoptech) and Hawk/EBC pads)

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                  Boris3
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                  #159

                  AsparagusMike said:

                  Well hopefully find my way into doing some auto-x/track events as well as enjoying it occasionally on the weekends driving around to meets and what not. On what I've read up and researched, people that have done the conversion say that when tracking the car the brakes are quite a bit better over the stock calipers with the same pads and the longevity of the pad life increases substantially. Also, the conversion itself is so so simple and inexpensive that I almost feel its worth giving it a try.

                  Maybe try the autox/track events first with the car to see if you need the upgrade? You won't for street driving and unlikely for parking lot autox. Once you get more comfortable with the car and learn how to be faster with it on the track you might. For an e30 the combination of brake lines and hoses in good shape, stock blanks, high temp fluid (ATE, Motul) and brakes properly bled, race pads (PFC 08/11, Hawks HT-10 or DTC 60/70), sticky tires, and proper braking technique go a long way. With the above the only stopping issues on track I've had are when I've overcooked a corner by going in way too deep with too much speed before braking, or when a car in front of me dumped fluids/oil.

                  1990 325i racecar (ITS, former Spec E30); 2004 330i ZHP

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                  • AsparagusMikeA
                    AsparagusMikeA
                    AsparagusMike
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #160

                    Alright, for now I'll stick with the e30 calipers, invest in better pads and rotors, and upgrade later if needed. I am considering of still switching over to a master cylinder from a e32 750i as it is said to have a stiffer feel from the pedal.

                    So, originally I had planned to rebuild my own calipers but now that I look at what it costs to buy a reman'd one, I might as well go that route. Is there any reason I should switch over to the ate calipers vs. sticking with the girling? I understand that with the brass bushings they are suppose to have a better feel... any experiences with those as well?

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                    • B
                      B
                      B C
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                      #161

                      The master cylinders and calipers are paired together. You can mix and match, but your mechanical advantage may not be what its supposed to be. There is no reason to switch to the ATE and brass slide bushings in my opinion. this is a good resource if you havent already come across it

                      http://www.massivebrakes.com/

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                      • KaiserRollsK
                        KaiserRollsK
                        KaiserRolls
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                        #162

                        If you go with brass, keep up with cleaning them so they don’t bind.

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                        • P_RoloffP
                          P_RoloffP
                          P_Roloff
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                          #163

                          Can’t comment on the ATE calipers, but I bought rebuilt rear girling calipers from centric last year after snapping a bleed screw and I have nothing bad to say about them, they seem to be pretty good value for the money. If you care about how they look, make sure to get paint on them ASAP, they start to get surface rust pretty quickly.

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                            B
                            Boris3
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                            #164

                            Snap said:

                            The master cylinders and calipers are paired together. You can mix and match, but your mechanical advantage may not be what its supposed to be. There is no reason to switch to the ATE and brass slide bushings in my opinion. this is a good resource if you havent already come across it

                            http://www.massivebrakes.com/

                            There was a buzz for a while in the E30 racing community about switching from the Girling fronts to the ATE fronts with the brass bushings but this is low on the mod scale say compared to brake ducting kits. The advantage was supposedly better braking due to even pad wear throughout the life of the pad rather than the tapering which can happen with the Girling's rubber bushings in heavy track use.  Not really worth the cost or the additional maintenance like KaiserRolls noted. Like Snap said put your money elsewhere. Good indication of current interest is that there's a guy on R3V that's been trying to sell the ATE caliper/bushing combo for over a year with multiple price drops and no takers. 

                            Rebuild kits for calipers are cheap and the rebuild process is not hard if all the metal bits are in good shape, no stuck broken bleeders etc. Like P_Roloff I've also had good luck with remanufactured Centric rear calipers.  I got my rebuilt rear ATEs from ECS Tuning.

                            1990 325i racecar (ITS, former Spec E30); 2004 330i ZHP

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                            • AsparagusMikeA
                              AsparagusMikeA
                              AsparagusMike
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                              Chassis pieces finished... finally

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                              The fact I had to paint one side at a time on each piece was probably the biggest time killer, as well as the fact that I put three coats on each side. I'm really happy how it turned out though, originally the plan was to get them powder coated but the cost wasn't worth it IMO and after looking at how well por-15 turned out on other people's vehicles and the fact that it prevents the pieces from anymore rust, I had to give it a try.

                              Painted the rear dust shields and push rods in por-15 while I was at it...

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                              Got around to putting in the new bearings tonight as well as the dust shields.

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                              Probably put the hubs in on Wednesday, forgot got to blast the small brackets for the e brake cables at the same time as the calipers and its much easier installing them before the hubs are on. Gonna try to get around to doing that tomorrow and then throw a bit of por-15 on em to keep them in good shape. Spent a little time tonight cleaning up the hubs...

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                              Finished up repairing the last few rust holes on the passenger side floor panel/drive line tunnel. The two circle holes were locations where there were stud screws originally, It had gotten to the point where there were all these small little holes around them from the rust eating through so the only real fix was to cut it out and weld in new. Still gotta spend some time smoothing everything out better before paint.

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                              While letting the subframes dry I killed some time by pulling apart the flex disc from the swivel joint. Rivets were kind of a pain in the ass as they took a little force to punch out after cutting the top off. Once removed spent a little time cleaning up the corrosion and making it shiny with a Roloc disc and some brake clean. Thinking I might go with the poly flex disc from IE. The price is cheaper then the oem rubber one and it comes with all the hardware needed for installation.

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                              Rear calipers are dissembled and blasted. Will be putting the new seals in tomorrow.

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                              So went back to messing with the car and noticed that I will be unable to reuse the floor pan plug. After doing a little research it doesn't seem those are replaceable so It looks like the only fix is to weld the hole shut.

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                              Will have to wire wheel the por-15 I just put on it back off now...<<

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                              Besides that everything seems to be coming along alright. Haven't started on the gas tank at all yet. Got all excited cause I saw a new e30 gas tank for sale near me on Facebook. The dude originally payed over 300 for it and only wanted 90 bucks, immediately sent him a message for availability and sure enough, he sold it. On another note, look at the beautiful flocked dash!

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                              • EarlE
                                EarlE
                                Earl
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                                I think a coat of black paint before flocking may have helped eliminate that but otherwise it looks nice 👍 Good progress on everything

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                                • B
                                  B
                                  B C
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                                  #167

                                  You do nice work

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                                  • JdesignJ
                                    JdesignJ
                                    Jdesign
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                                    POR15.  I haven't used that stuff in a long time but its awesome. Looking good man!

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                                    • YoungCRY
                                      YoungCRY
                                      YoungCR
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                                      Great work!

                                      Chris Young
                                      BMWCCA #458972
                                      1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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                                      • KaiserRollsK
                                        KaiserRollsK
                                        KaiserRolls
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                                        #170

                                        Jdesign said:

                                        POR15.  I haven't used that stuff in a long time but its awesome. Looking good man!

                                        It’s awesome

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                                        • GunMetalGreyG
                                          GunMetalGreyG
                                          GunMetalGrey
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                                          #171

                                          Jdesign said:

                                          PEN15.  I haven't used that stuff in a long time but its awesome.

                                          Fixed that for ya

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