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    REKIII
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    Yes, it measures mass airflow.  This is great as long as the pressure doesn't change.  Due to the constant weight of the earths atmosphere, the computer knows the pressure will never vary from 14.5 PSI.   So it measures Airflow, based on that pressure.  If the pressure increases, due to a turbo or supercharger, the Airflow can remain the same but the DME doesn't know that an increased air amount has entered the engine.

    ALL DME tuned supercharger kits on BMW's that used to be NA convert to alphaN.  This eliminates the MAF's and uses math to figure out airflow based on RPM.  Because a supercharger produces the same PSI at a particular RPM all the time, the equations can be figured out and this programmed in.

    Turbo's are a different beast.  They produce boost based on load.  If you are cruising at 4K RPM the turbos will produce 0 PSI but if you are accelerating, when the car hits 4K, the turbos could be producing any amount of PSI, based on many factors.  This is why Mas Air Pressure (MAP) must be measured in a turbo car.  Since these cars have no factory MAP sensor, one must be added and controlled, and have bearing on the fuel tables.

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      #199

      I know of a corvette that has been switched to run speed density via an obd2 tuning software. Not sure how but it do.

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        Rowleym
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        #200

        REKIII said:

        Yes, it measures mass airflow.  This is great as long as the pressure doesn't change.  Due to the constant weight of the earths atmosphere, the computer knows the pressure will never vary from 14.5 PSI.   So it measures Airflow, based on that pressure.  If the pressure increases, due to a turbo or supercharger, the Airflow can remain the same but the DME doesn't know that an increased air amount has entered the engine.

        ALL DME tuned supercharger kits on BMW's that used to be NA convert to alphaN.  This eliminates the MAF's and uses math to figure out airflow based on RPM.  Because a supercharger produces the same PSI at a particular RPM all the time, the equations can be figured out and this programmed in.

        Turbo's are a different beast.  They produce boost based on load.  If you are cruising at 4K RPM the turbos will produce 0 PSI but if you are accelerating, when the car hits 4K, the turbos could be producing any amount of PSI, based on many factors.  This is why Mas Air Pressure (MAP) must be measured in a turbo car.  Since these cars have no factory MAP sensor, one must be added and controlled, and have bearing on the fuel tables.

        So what you are saying here, is the countless stock DME tuned turbo e36's and e46's are unsafe even though people have driven tens of thousands of miles and also daily drive those cars? I honestly can't believe that it doesn't work when so many people prove it.

        Hell they made over 1000whp on the stock e36 DME.

        I know there are other factory turbo cars with MAF based systems as well.

        What you said does make some sense to me though.

        Pv=nrt

        No? Haha.

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          REKIII
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          Rowleym said:

          So what you are saying here, is the countless stock DME tuned turbo e36's and e46's are unsafe even though people have driven tens of thousands of miles and also daily drive those cars? I honestly can't believe that it doesn't work when so many people prove it. Hell they made over 1000whp on the stock e36 DME. I know there are other factory turbo cars with MAF based systems as well. What you said does make some sense to me though. Pv=nrt No? Haha.

          This is how I understand the DME, the ones I've seen have all had some sort of piggyback controller, or an archaic RRFPR.  I never claim to know everything, just explaining how I understand things.  I'm always eager to admit I'm wrong when I get to learn something new.

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            In Maximum Boost, it is mentioned on the NSX install that there is a MAF signal blocker that blocks or maintains the signal to keep it from going out of limits under boost. Just mentioning that since it may be part of how it would work with stock ECU + MAF

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            • EarlE
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              Earl
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              #203

              UPDATES!!!!!!!!

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              • YoungCRY
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                YoungCR
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                #204

                Yes, Updates!

                Chris Young
                BMWCCA #458972
                1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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                • DrLeadFootD
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                  DrLeadFoot
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                  I third that^

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                       @DrLeadFoot

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                    Rowleym
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                    #206

                    AAAAAAH such a boner kill guys. I saw this thread updated and I was like WOOOOO and then I clicked and I was full of disappointment.

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                      REKIII
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                      #207

                      :(

                      Been so busy I haven't been up to visit.  The Passenger side manifold is fully welded and the mock-up for the drivers side is almost done.

                      I have to finish the pin-out on the new ECU and then start designing the intake manifold.

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                      • wasnt m3W
                        wasnt m3W
                        wasnt m3
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                        #208

                        In before Earl says "you're the man!"

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                        • EarlE
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                          Earl
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                          #209

                          You're THE man Robert=)

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                            REKIII
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                            #210

                            Found a pic I haven't posted yet.

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                              Rowleym
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                              #211

                              Please tell me thats an adapter to the stock wiring harness.

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                                REKIII
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                                #212

                                it is.

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                                  REKIII
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                                  #213

                                  More Pics.

                                  Passenger Manifold Mounted:

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                                  Trans was in the way:

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                                  Drivers Manifold Mocked up:

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                                  Frame hole on Drivers side:

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                                    Rowleym
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                                    #214

                                    Seems like it's a tight fit. Looks proper.

                                    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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                                    • YoungCRY
                                      YoungCRY
                                      YoungCR
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                                      #215

                                      How is that trans hole gonna be filled? Concave profile to match the pipe?

                                      Chris Young
                                      BMWCCA #458972
                                      1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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                                        REKIII
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                                        #216

                                        CYoung said:

                                        How is that trans hole gonna be filled? Concave profile to match the pipe?

                                        Yes.

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                                          #217

                                          Stunning work and brave problem solving skills going on here

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