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  • frcefedF
    frcefedF
    frcefed
    wrote on last edited by
    #42

    patsbimmer1 said:

    There are "true" rear coilover set ups out there but they are ridiculously expensive.  AST and Intrax are the two that come to mind.  When you do it just make sure you have some kind of reinforcement on the strut tower beyond the normal strut tower plate.  I looked into this before I went with my FK's and switching to the true rear coilover will increase the loads on the towers by quite a bit.

    Yeah, ill have to reinforce the tower and the spindle but itll be worth it to have a real coilover setup.

    And if you guys could machine solid rtabs that would be AMAZING.

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    • jc43089J
      jc43089J
      jc43089
      wrote on last edited by
      #43

      I will get the measurements.  The only problem I can see with a solid mount is that it is not a purely rotational force.  I would think that it would be a good time to weld in rtab pocket reinforcements.

      2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
      3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
      '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

      '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

      '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
      '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
      '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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      • frcefedF
        frcefedF
        frcefed
        wrote on last edited by
        #44

        jc43089 said:

        I will get the measurements.  The only problem I can see with a solid mount is that it is not a purely rotational force.  I would think that it would be a good time to weld in rtab pocket reinforcements.

        Definitely, I would reinforce the rtabs and anything else I can in conjunction with the subframe

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        • wasnt m3W
          wasnt m3W
          wasnt m3
          wrote on last edited by
          #45

          Just curious what benefits you think you might see out of a true coilover in the rear.

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          • jc43089J
            jc43089J
            jc43089
            wrote on last edited by
            #46

            frcefed said:

            Definitely, I would reinforce the rtabs and anything else I can in conjunction with the subframe

            AKG motorsport has excellent prices and the parts are good, they are what I used.

            2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
            3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
            '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

            '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

            '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
            '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
            '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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            • frcefedF
              frcefedF
              frcefed
              wrote on last edited by
              #47

              wasnt m3 said:

              Just curious what benefits you think you might see out of a true coilover in the rear.

              Easier adjustability, better limiting of wheel travel, I just think the e30/e36 rear suspension is outdated, I mean every other car in the world has struts or coilovers at every corner for a reason..

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              • patsbimmer1P
                patsbimmer1P
                patsbimmer1
                wrote on last edited by
                #48

                Usually the race guys go to a true coilover in back for increased wheel travel and to use a tube style LCA.

                2011 e90 M3 - DCT, Borla exhaust, BMW Performance Black Grille, ECS Painted Corners, Ziza Angel Eyes

                07 335i Stella - sport package, BMS DCI, zhp knob, TMS cf parking brake lever, VRSF downpipes, MHD tune, H&R race springs, other stuff *SOLD*

                97 328i Lola - sport package, m50 intake manifold, m50 manifold.com install kit, custom CAI, K&N filter, Borla exhaust, FK silverline coilovers, 25.5mm front sway bar, Powerflex front sway bushings, Turner Radiator, fan delete *sold*
                95 325is *sold*
                93 nissan 240sx KA-T *sold*

                BMWCCA #473306

                Instagram @patsbimmer1

                AKA- HALLWAY PAT

                "burnouts bring babes and babes dont have time for bushings" - Kaiser Rolls

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                • frcefedF
                  frcefedF
                  frcefed
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #49

                  patsbimmer1 said:

                  Usually the race guys go to a true coilover in back for increased wheel travel and to use a tube style LCA.

                  I would think wheel travel is increased to a ridiculous amount with the stock setup in coilover form, what acts as a limiter with that setup? The shocks?

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                  • patsbimmer1P
                    patsbimmer1P
                    patsbimmer1
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #50

                    Yea its the shocks. I believe they typically run maybe 5" of travel and after lowering itbon the shock you decrease it further.

                    2011 e90 M3 - DCT, Borla exhaust, BMW Performance Black Grille, ECS Painted Corners, Ziza Angel Eyes

                    07 335i Stella - sport package, BMS DCI, zhp knob, TMS cf parking brake lever, VRSF downpipes, MHD tune, H&R race springs, other stuff *SOLD*

                    97 328i Lola - sport package, m50 intake manifold, m50 manifold.com install kit, custom CAI, K&N filter, Borla exhaust, FK silverline coilovers, 25.5mm front sway bar, Powerflex front sway bushings, Turner Radiator, fan delete *sold*
                    95 325is *sold*
                    93 nissan 240sx KA-T *sold*

                    BMWCCA #473306

                    Instagram @patsbimmer1

                    AKA- HALLWAY PAT

                    "burnouts bring babes and babes dont have time for bushings" - Kaiser Rolls

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                    • frcefedF
                      frcefedF
                      frcefed
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #51

                      patsbimmer1 said:

                      Yea its the shocks. I believe they typically run maybe 5" of travel and after lowering itbon the shock you decrease it further.

                      I've never heard of track cars having 5" of travel, even with rally cars that would seem like a lot. My coilovers on my e34 travel about an inch and if I adjusted them for 5" of travel they would basically ride like stock struts except with dampening capabilities.

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                      • jc43089J
                        jc43089J
                        jc43089
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                        #52

                        Got the dimensions, here's a sketch i made.  Didn't have time to draw it in CAD.  It has to be a split design for assembly.  The poly ones have an aluminum sleeve through the center, the bolt is an m12.  My poly ones have a sleeve that is about 1" O.D. through the middle, now that I think about it, the sleeve is probably necessary because there needs to be rotation when the suspension compresses and the mount bracket locks down on whatever is in the center.  If you didn't have a sleeve then it would clamp down on the bushing and the rotation would be forced to happen at the O.D. of the bushing against the control arm.

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                        2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                        3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                        '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                        '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                        '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                        '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                        '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                        • frcefedF
                          frcefedF
                          frcefed
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #53

                          jc43089 said:

                          Got the dimensions, here's a sketch i made.  Didn't have time to draw it in CAD.  It has to be a split design for assembly.  The poly ones have an aluminum sleeve through the center, the bolt is an m12.  My poly ones have a sleeve that is about 1" O.D. through the middle, now that I think about it, the sleeve is probably necessary because there needs to be rotation when the suspension compresses and the mount bracket locks down on whatever is in the center.  If you didn't have a sleeve then it would clamp down on the bushing and the rotation would be forced to happen at the O.D. of the bushing against the control arm.

                          ScannedfromaXeroxMultifunctionDevicezps

                          Looks good to me.

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                          • R
                            R
                            Rowleym
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #54

                            I fucking love you guys. You make my life so much easier haha.

                            I'll build some today!

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                            sk8 or die

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                            • R
                              R
                              Rowleym
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #55

                              Also. The split down the center is just flat? No recessed groves r anything?

                              So. Drill .975 or something close, and press in a 1" alum round stock with a 12mm hole, and exactly 49.25 tall?

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                              sk8 or die

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                              • frcefedF
                                frcefedF
                                frcefed
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #56

                                Does the sleeve have to be wider than the 49.25 width?

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                                • jc43089J
                                  jc43089J
                                  jc43089
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #57

                                  The split is flat, OE bushing is not split, but these have to be 2 pieces to fit them into the control arm.  You could make the sleeve maybe .010ish (whatever that is in mm) longer than the 49.25mm, it is mainly so the bushing doesn't get pinched too tight, I would drill the center hole at a snug slip fit for the aluminum sleeve.  Between the bushing and the sleeve is where you want the rotation to happen when the suspension compresses.

                                  2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                                  3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                                  '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                                  '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                                  '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                                  '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                                  '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                                  • frcefedF
                                    frcefedF
                                    frcefed
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                                    #58

                                    When does production start? Haha

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                                    • R
                                      R
                                      Rowleym
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                                      #59

                                      frcefed said:

                                      When does production start? Haha

                                      I'll build some this week! They will be Delrin.

                                      So... I can't do it for absolutely free.

                                      Price? They shouldn't take too long to machine!

                                      How many should I make?

                                      Might order stock to do a good batch of them.

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                                      sk8 or die

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                                      • frcefedF
                                        frcefedF
                                        frcefed
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                                        #60

                                        I will take at least one set, let me know the price!

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                                          R
                                          Rowleym
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #61

                                          frcefed said:

                                          I will take at least one set, let me know the price!

                                          Haha I'm asking how much I should charge for them, as I have no idea.

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                                          sk8 or die

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