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Turbo missing under load

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  • frcefedF
    frcefedF
    frcefed
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    #10

    So then you can change it to give you less fuel, right?

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      Rowleym
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      #11

      frcefed said:

      So then you can change it to give you less fuel, right?

      yes very easily

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      sk8 or die

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        Rowleym
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        #12

        Snap said:

        The extra fuel is manually entered into the fueling table.

        As a side note, Load (ms) is immensely confusing

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        Because we always measure load in milliseconds right?

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        sk8 or die

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          According to Brody @ Miller, it made the most sense for how they set things up (apparently its injector pw). They would know better than we would, but regardless having TPS or MAP on the load axis makes it immensely easier to diagnose and tune since if you have a rich spot that occurs around 4000 rpm and 10psi, you can convert 10psi to kPa and take a look at the fueling table real easily.

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          • JeffJ
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            Jeff
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            #14

            Snap said:

            According to Brody @ Miller, it made the most sense for how they set things up (apparently its injector pw). They would know better than we would, but regardless having TPS or MAP on the load axis makes it immensely easier to diagnose and tune since if you have a rich spot that occurs around 4000 rpm and 10psi, you can convert 10psi to kPa and take a look at the fueling table real easily.

            Tune my car for me

            Re gapped the plugs to .22 was over .35? No good

            Miller blows don't care for it.

            Time to re tune it hard when it's missing and hoes from rich to lean in a second.

            1976 530i e12
            1990 325ix e30
            1992 325i e36
            1995 740il e38
            2001 330xi e46
            ^More to come :)

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              #15

              over .035"?  thats pretty wide. 

              I have mine set to 0.027" right now 1 heat range colder than stock  (NGK 6)

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                lagwagon
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                #16

                9:1 isn't going to cause a misfire. My turbo car very briefly sees 8.5:1 at toe-in and I haven't bothered to tune it out. Also running the miller war chip.

                Is it consistent?
                Stock fuel pump?

                What engine? 

                Perhaps I could send you my tune to try but my car runs a little different than most. 

                My advice is to load the base map and work from scratch. Adjusting the timing is not the right thing to do here despite above advice. There's a 99% chance this is mechanical and not tune related. I would start with trying another TPS. Check MAF voltages for proper readings and try different plugs. 

                Personally I have this same exact issue when cold because I run hot plugs (forget exact model right now, though, sorry)

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                • JeffJ
                  JeffJ
                  Jeff
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                  #17

                  300lph fuel pump it's pretty consistent I have the m50 . I know my injectors are small but shouldn't miss and still have that much fuel.

                  1976 530i e12
                  1990 325ix e30
                  1992 325i e36
                  1995 740il e38
                  2001 330xi e46
                  ^More to come :)

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                    lagwagon
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                    #18

                    Wait, if I'm understanding this correctly - you are running the war chip and stock injectors with the miller maf? Are you using the M50 base tune and then tuning to the turbo?

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                    • JeffJ
                      JeffJ
                      Jeff
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #19

                      #24 injectors and using a 24 injector tune and changing it for the turbo stock maf. Need to Chang it

                      1976 530i e12
                      1990 325ix e30
                      1992 325i e36
                      1995 740il e38
                      2001 330xi e46
                      ^More to come :)

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                        #20

                        24#ers are probably only going to support 8psi max before the duty cycle gets craycray. I bump 100% duty cycle at 12psi on 33#  injectors @43.5psi fuel pressure

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                          lagwagon
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                          You are just going to pop that motor unless you get a proper tune in there. Get the miller maf ($300) and 60# siemens injectors ($220) and start with the base tune. It will probably solve all of your problems unless you have some underlying mechanical issues like the TPS

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                          • JeffJ
                            JeffJ
                            Jeff
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                            #22

                            We'll understanding that my injectors are tiny it has been like this for over a year now no popped motor yet.

                            I do agree in need to upgrade the injectors at least.

                            I did figure out my issue though I loaded the wrong file into the chip. Have to tweak the tune in higher rpm at wot but back to the normal afr'a of 10.5-11 untill 5k where it goes to 12.5-13

                            1976 530i e12
                            1990 325ix e30
                            1992 325i e36
                            1995 740il e38
                            2001 330xi e46
                            ^More to come :)

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                              Rowleym
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                              #23

                              Snap said:

                              24#ers are probably only going to support 8psi max before the duty cycle gets craycray. I bump 100% duty cycle at 12psi on 33#  injectors @43.5psi fuel pressure

                              Snap said:

                              24#ers are probably only going to support 8psi max before the duty cycle gets craycray. I bump 100% duty cycle at 12psi on 33#  injectors @43.5psi fuel pressure

                              This. Im surprised you can even run lean with the injectors wide open and 10-12PSI. 

                              You should just buy my ms3x and be done with this war chip nonsense :)

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                                B C
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                                #24

                                I completely agree.

                                He is saving up for a bridgeport, 

                                something about a cordless drill welded to a tripod "isnt quite good enough"

                                snobs.

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                                • JeffJ
                                  JeffJ
                                  Jeff
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                                  #25

                                  Lol damn right I may look and and see if I can find a used set of injectors ans long as I can get the tune for them

                                  1976 530i e12
                                  1990 325ix e30
                                  1992 325i e36
                                  1995 740il e38
                                  2001 330xi e46
                                  ^More to come :)

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                                    #26

                                    http://maksinjection.com/?product=bosch-0280-155-737-33-white

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                                      lagwagon
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                                      #27

                                      I'm making over 500whp on the war chip reliably and the car runs great. Just get the proper setup and you'll be good.

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                                      • DrLeadFootD
                                        DrLeadFootD
                                        DrLeadFoot
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                                        #28

                                        I needed to set my plug gap to .22 to stop the break up. I know nada about the tune world though.

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                                             @DrLeadFoot

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                                        • GunMetalGreyG
                                          GunMetalGreyG
                                          GunMetalGrey
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                                          #29

                                          Did you ever find your turbo? In post #1 you stated that it was missing, I would like to think that the thieves returned it.

                                          Please update!

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