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A note to all E46 owners.

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    ten2doyle102
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    Wow....  I had only heard of that happening, but nothing that bad.  I had my 330i looked at and luckily never looked that bad!

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    E30 by ten2doyle102, on Flickr

    2000 Audi S4 2.7TT, 1991 318is 1.8L

    Represntin' da A-Town foo's

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      Jeff
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      so all e46? i have an 01 330xi. this happened to my e36

      1976 530i e12
      1990 325ix e30
      1992 325i e36
      1995 740il e38
      2001 330xi e46
      ^More to come :)

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        AvusHatesCones
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        ^ Yep, some worse than others, but the worst one ever I saw (other than 800+hp M3's) was a stock 323i so it can happen to any E46.

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        Silver Grey E46 M3

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          m3clubbmw
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          my guys does this kind of job he only charges 650$ and he works at a shop, so if anything goes bad you will get warranty but that will not happend they do it correctly to few other cars..

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            Whammy
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            OP, not all E46s are affected by this change.   Pre-facelift BMWs 99-01 were mostly affected by the change, in early 2002 (not sure exactly when), BMW corrected the design flaw in the body/subframe.

            It is definitely a concern for all e46s but truth be told, not all have been affected.  I have yet to see one facelifted E46 affected by the subframe cracking issue the pre-facelifted E46s have.

            Edit:  If you want more details on this, pop over to forum.e46fanatics.com

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              AvusHatesCones
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              #17

              BMW also "corrected" the the M3 in 05 and 06, and those fail just as often as well. They never actually fixed anything.

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              Silver Grey E46 M3

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                michael1972
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                What kind of symptoms did your car have when it started coming apart?

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                  AvusHatesCones
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                  #19

                  Just a click sound off the line and when entering very hard left hand turns. As well as slight mid corner tracking from the rear, but only enough that only I'd notice occasionally.

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                  Silver Grey E46 M3

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                    bigjae1976
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                    The subframe failure is the result of bad subframe bushings. The rear subframe is secured to the floor pan with 4 studs which are screwed in. What happens is the 4 subframe bushings go bad (typically the fronts) and then allows the rear subframe to twist everytime you accelerate and decelerate. This twisting loads and unloads the force of the subframe onto those studs which in turns leads to the metal fatiguing and cracking. Then continued use will result in your rear floor basically tearing itself out of the car.

                    First, address your driveline bushings. Typically motor and diff mounts fail quickly and are the first to go. Keeping the engine, tranny, and diff mounts, guibo, and center bearing in good shape will reduce the stress on your rear subframe bushings.

                    2004 BMW started using structural foam in the rear floor which helped.

                    The problem is there's no way to really see if the rear subframe bushings (that I know of) have failed. Most won't do preventive replacement due to the cost.

                    IMO, the fix is preventively reinforcing the 6 mounting points and installing solid rear subframe bushings. The solids won't add much NHV and will last a lot longer.

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                      AvusHatesCones
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                      bigjae1976 said:

                      The subframe failure is the result of bad subframe bushings. The rear subframe is secured to the floor pan with 4 studs which are screwed in. What happens is the 4 subframe bushings go bad (typically the fronts) and then allows the rear subframe to twist everytime you accelerate and decelerate. This twisting loads and unloads the force of the subframe onto those studs which in turns leads to the metal fatiguing and cracking. Then continued use will result in your rear floor basically tearing itself out of the car.

                      First, address your driveline bushings. Typically motor and diff mounts fail quickly and are the first to go. Keeping the engine, tranny, and diff mounts, guibo, and center bearing in good shape will reduce the stress on your rear subframe bushings.

                      2004 BMW started using structural foam in the rear floor which helped.

                      The problem is there's no way to really see if the rear subframe bushings (that I know of) have failed. Most won't do preventive replacement due to the cost.

                      IMO, the fix is preventively reinforcing the 6 mounting points and installing solid rear subframe bushings. The solids won't add much NHV and will last a lot longer.

                      That's not true, my subframe bushings were replaced at 65,000 as preventative maintenance and again now. They never went bad nor did they have enough time to do so. Also BMW never added the structural foam from the factory. The structural foam was only used as a fix for cars with 2cm or smaller cracks, the rest had the entire rear floor pan removed. There are only theories on what causes these floor pans to crack, no true facts on what it is.

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                      Silver Grey E46 M3

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                        bigjae1976
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                        AvusHatesCones said:

                        That's not true, my subframe bushings were replaced at 65,000 as preventative maintenance and again now. They never went bad nor did they have enough time to do so. Also BMW never added the structural foam from the factory. The structural foam was only used as a fix for cars with 2cm or smaller cracks, the rest had the entire rear floor pan removed. There are only theories on what causes these floor pans to crack, no true facts on what it is.  

                        So wait...you already had a crack then replaced the bushings and then didn't fix the crack at that time? Then you let the crack go for another 20k miles until this happened?

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                          AvusHatesCones
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                          No racks at 65,000 miles, bushings replaced anyway. Subframe inspected again 40,000 miles later, crack city, bushings replaced again, subframe fixed and reinforced.

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                          Silver Grey E46 M3

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                            bigjae1976
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                            Yes, bushings can fail in 40k miles. Not unheard of. Especially if the diff mounts were on their way out. Usually if your subframe bushings are bad then your driveline mounts will be suspect.

                            I've went through motor mounts in my E46 330 (s/c'd) in a year. I had the powerflex rear subframe bushings which seemed to be fine after about 35k miles and 40 hours of track time.

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