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M20 Turbo => M50 turbo fun.

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  • Brian.B
    Brian.B
    Brian.
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    #88

    500hp out of a stock block M20? Don't tank your motor. The M30 can hardly handle 500HP reliably...

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    • GunMetalGreyG
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      That's even a lot for a stock m50, and they handle boost wayy better.

      Sent from the future. Or my phone, who knows.

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        Rowleym
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        Dude I'm definitely not putting 500 down on the stock m20. No way. I'm just saying if I'm gonna put the time and money into making a great intake manifold, I should build it for my ultimate power goals? Just a thought.

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          Rowleym
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          If my motor is trash, I still might do an m50 swap haha. I really like the engine.

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            Rowleym
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            How much would I have to modify a exhaust mani from a m20 to fit a m50?

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              The M50 has more rectangular ports, the M20's are more round, the M50 has 4 bolt flanges and the M20 has 2.

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                Rowleym
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                But are the distances different? Could I just buy a flange, chop mine off, and weld the new one on?

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                  Rowleym
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                  Going a new direction! Swapping in an m50. Anyone wanna buy a m20 with 128k on it? Also hooked to an auto trans so it was never over revved. Getting a m50 with 135k on it. Hopefully I don't have to replace too much. Too bad I just spent a bunch on money on that damn m20..

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                    Rowleym said:

                    Going a new direction! Swapping in an m50. Anyone wanna buy a m20 with 128k on it? Also hooked to an auto trans so it was never over revved. Getting a m50 with 135k on it. Hopefully I don't have to replace too much. Too bad I just spent a bunch on money on that damn m20..

                    Why the change of direction? I love me some M20 but mine is healthy at the moment. No need for another one yet, otherwise i'd be after you about it.

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                      Rowleym
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                      I get easily persuaded I think.. The m50 is more modern and parts are easier to find I guess? And I figured if I'm going to spend a bunch on machine work and stuff to have a decent motor, why not just start with the m50? I don't know. Tell me why not.

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                      • Brian.B
                        Brian.B
                        Brian.
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                        I'm coming over son.

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                          Your logic is definitely sound.

                          It would be silly to try and say the M20 is a better engine than the M50 but I think the point at which my jimmies become rustled is when someone has an M20 in a poor state of tune (see also too cheap to hunt down vac. leaks and replace old parts) swaps in a junkyard M50 and pretends the M20 was a total un-fixable pile and the M50 is a rocketship, when in reality, a tune up would have likely yielded the same performance increase.

                          One thing to keep in mind about the M20, is that in NA form, it was a very highly optimized engine for its day. The LS1 is praised for being such an optimized engine with only 2 valves per cylinder, but when you do the math, the M20 has a specific output very close or equal to that of the LS1 (depending on the version of LS1) and that is with an archaic EFI system and relatively low compression ratio. Being reasonably optimized means that there is not a whole lot to gain unlike a 350 chev with 190 hp which gains 100hp with a carb, manifolds, and a cam.

                          So yes, the M50 is a more advanced engine, has more area under the torque curve, is more refined, and capable of making more power with less sacrifice down low, but the M20 aint a bad gig either, especially when the cost of replacement is so low, especially when your snail-obsession gets out of hand.

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                            Rowleym
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                            Thanks for the input. If you were me, would you do the swap? I want to be drifting with this car, and also track days. Around 350whp or 400bhp. Trying to keep it semi reliable.

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                              if you are like this guy and know what you are doing

                              you could have yourself a reliable turbo m20 with little lag that screams on the track.

                              A turbo M50 will make a little more power with less boost than an M20 and might be the better choice if you want to keep the internals stock.

                              If it were me I would probably do the M20 just because I feel that if the heat of the turbo caused a cracked head or if the bottom end blew out, another healthy M20 engine could be dropped in for hardly anything.

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                              • YoungCRY
                                YoungCRY
                                YoungCR
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                                #102

                                badass!

                                Chris Young
                                BMWCCA #458972
                                1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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                                  Aaah. So I have to pay 800$ for my sisters laptop to be fixed. I really need some persuasion. Is there any stock piston/rod/crank setup that would get me some damn low cr? Like around 7? Still might go m50 but I don't know yet.

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                                  • Brian.B
                                    Brian.B
                                    Brian.
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                                    That blow off valve in the video, sounds queer as fuck.

                                    @ Mitch, good job dipshit! I might be up next week. I'll keep you posted.

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                                      Rowleym
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                                      Little update. Bought a m50nv. 130k on it supposedly. Need to track down an oil pan and stuff. Also sold my hx35 to GunMetalGrey, and he gave me a swap brace. Pretty excited. Cool dude.

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                                      • GunMetalGreyG
                                        GunMetalGreyG
                                        GunMetalGrey
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                                        I never even caught your name!

                                        Sent from the future. Or my phone, who knows.

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                                        • YoungCRY
                                          YoungCRY
                                          YoungCR
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                                          #107

                                          so whats the plan now? Between you and Ben its hard to keep track! Y'all change motor ideas every other day :P

                                          Chris Young
                                          BMWCCA #458972
                                          1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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