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  • retoropakR
    retoropakR
    retoropak
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    #31

    3 months later............

    I had to redo the whole subframe. There was not enough room for decent size sump. Engine is mounted to the frame rails anyway so the middle section of the subframe was cut and pushed towards the front of the car. Don't mind crappy welds, once I hit it with some pretty epoxy paint it wont look that bad anymore.  It seems that I can tig aluminum better than I mig steel.   

    Here is the oil pan that I hat to cut a little bit to sit flush with the subframe.

    E21

    E21

    E21

    I also put together lower radiator mounts. It uses stock e36 plastic mounts that sit on steel brackets welded to the frame rails. There is enough room in front of the radiator to fit 3" intercooler.

    E21

    I also got a new daily driver. I got rid of my xc70 and got F32.  That b58 and zf 8spd combo is amazing. 

    E21

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    • YoungCRY
      YoungCRY
      YoungCR
      wrote on last edited by
      #32

      Progress is progress! Happy to see updates on this. Congrats on the newer daily too.

      Chris Young
      BMWCCA #458972
      1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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      • retoropakR
        retoropakR
        retoropak
        wrote on last edited by
        #33

        Since the engine sits upright the stock m42 manifold (e30) or ugly e36 one won't work anymore. Miata folks are adapting honda intakes with pretty good results. After some research I decided to get a Honda b series manifold and try to fuse it with m42 intake flange. Spacing is the same +/- 2-3 mm so it should line up fairly well.

        It will get bosh DBW throttle body either in 68mm or ill go size up to 82mm if it fits. 

        Its a pro series so I expect some pro results 😁. Sadly It will sit upside down so that beautiful logo wont be visible. 

        Intake

        Intake

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        • retoropakR
          retoropakR
          retoropak
          wrote on last edited by
          #34

          I tried honda B series manifold and it sat too low. Then I tried volvo whiteblock without one cylinder and it was a bit off spacingwise and also sat too close to the firewall.

          Volvo manifoldVolvo manifold

          I figured its time for some custom manifold. I got some trumpets, plenum and a bit of a runner pipe. Flange is also on its way.

          Random

          In the meantime I started wrapping up some other bits.

          I welded shock mounts for the trailing arms. I started working on oil pickup and also threaded some holes for the windage tray. That cheapo oil pan came with windage tray mounts without any threads. Also internal oil pickup passage has a burr that obstructed 40-50% of the opening. 

          Random

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          • retoropakR
            retoropakR
            retoropak
            wrote on last edited by
            #35

            I finished transmission  mount.

            Helmut

            Stock fuel tank wouldn't fit with e28 rear subframe so I had to trim it a little bit.

            Helmut

            I started mocking up intake plenum to see if it will fit with a stock booster. The verdict is: I need boosterless brakes. I will try to fit floor mount Wilwood pedals and if it wont work I might go with firewall mounted ones. There is just not enough room for a booster even e90 one with vert mounted motor.

            Helmut

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            • retoropakR
              retoropakR
              retoropak
              wrote on last edited by
              #36

              I started putting together manifold. Just some mockups for now to figure out injector positions and angles.

              I also got a set of wilwood floormounts that i am trying to fit. Looks like  pedal position will be close to stock

              Helmut

              HelmutHelmutHelmut

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              • retoropakR
                retoropakR
                retoropak
                wrote on last edited by
                #37

                First part of the manifold is tacked up. injector angle could have been a bit shallower but I don't think it will have significant negative effects on performance.

                HelmutHelmut

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                • retoropakR
                  retoropakR
                  retoropak
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #38

                  And intake is almost done. All tack welded and ready to be finished. I got some 1/4" plate to do the end cap and to add some reinforcemnt for vacuum fittings.

                  I will use bosh motorsports dbw throttle body. I am shooting for anything between 350-500whp. I think that 68mm throttle should do. The next size up is 82mm but I worry it will be too twitchy and drivability will suck. 

                  Holesaw setup to cut 3" holes for trumpets

                  Holesaw

                  A little mockup with two runners to check the position of the plenum

                  Intake

                  All 4 runners in. 

                  Intake

                  Intake

                  Intake

                  Fuel Rail

                  Intake

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                  • P_RoloffP
                    P_RoloffP
                    P_Roloff
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                    #39

                    Holy smokes, this is cool. That intake looks awesome, super excited to see that come to fruition. How is the throttle body going to be mounted, out the end of the manifold towards the front of the car or out of the side like an OEM one?

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                    • m42b32M
                      m42b32M
                      m42b32
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                      #40

                      This is awesome! A 350hp+ M42 is going to be a riot.

                      1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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                      • retoropakR
                        retoropakR
                        retoropak
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #41

                        P_Roloff said:

                        Holy smokes, this is cool. That intake looks awesome, super excited to see that come to fruition. How is the throttle body going to be mounted, out the end of the manifold towards the front of the car or out of the side like an OEM one?

                        Throttle will be in front of the manifold.

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                        • retoropakR
                          retoropakR
                          retoropak
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #42

                          I welded up the manifold. It was a pain. My 200amp tig had some trouble welding 1/4" plenum with the trumpets. Trumpets were quite thick with some sections close to 1/2" or more. I could use 50amps more.
                          I added fuel rail brackets and end cap. I also ordered bosch motorsports 68mm DBW throttle. I still need to get the weld-on flange for this throttle.

                          I ditched floor mounted pedals and get hanging pedal setup. I whipped new firewall plate and added the e36 column mount

                          Helmut

                          Helmut

                          Helmut

                          Helmut

                          Helmut

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                          • YoungCRY
                            YoungCRY
                            YoungCR
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #43

                            Nice work on the firewall plate

                            Chris Young
                            BMWCCA #458972
                            1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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                            • retoropakR
                              retoropakR
                              retoropak
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #44

                              Pedal box is done.

                              Helmut

                              Helmut

                              I got my throttle body flange. I use 68mm Bosch motorsports TB. Its funny that you cant get that flange in the states. I had to order one from Sweden. 

                              Helmut

                              Helmut

                              Helmut

                              Helmut

                              I ordered my eBay intercooler. 12x18x3" core. Should be plenty to support my power goals.

                              Next week will be finishing some bracketry and I should be ready to prep it for paint.

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                              • retoropakR
                                retoropakR
                                retoropak
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #45

                                I got my fleabay Intercooler it supposed to e 3" core. Well  it is not. Its a 2.5" and has some shitty spoolgun welds.. I am not even mad I will just return it and get another cheapo intercooler hoping it will be a bit better. Anyone know ebay sellers/brands that might have decent 3" intercoolers? My 12x12 ebay intercooler that i got couple years back look much better with decent welds and nice looking 3" core. 

                                I made upper radiator mount/ shroud/ intercooler mount. 

                                Front frame rail  brace might come handy. The e21 chassis flexes a lot. I will most likely use this brace as a mounting point for the skid plate

                                Strut tower brace will be next. 

                                I also got my e90 gas pedal. It should work really well. 

                                I started designing chassis electrical harness with my new fusebox. I got the inventory of all circuits including wire lenghts, colors, gauge and approximate splice locations.I will be ordering some tefzel wiring sometime next week.

                                I had a bit of an issue with clutch master fitting in the bay, So I had to expand the bay a little bit. Half a pound of seam sealer and some epoxy primer and it will look beautiful

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                                • retoropakR
                                  retoropakR
                                  retoropak
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #46

                                  I got a monstercooler today. I think it is a bit too much @  24x12x4" core. It fits though but I think I will swap it for something a bit smaller. It will take an hour for the turbo to fill this thing with air. I think transient response may suffer a bit.  It might require some pie cutting to connect to throttle body.

                                  Intercooler

                                  Intercooler

                                  Intercooler

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                                  • retoropakR
                                    retoropakR
                                    retoropak
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #47

                                    After couple of weeks of engine bay paint prep. I am ready to paint it. I build a beautiful spray booth in my garage with two box fans and shoot some epoxy primer followed by some seam sealer and more epoxy. Today i will finish it with single stage urethane in original safari beige.

                                    I got the intercooler figured out. Wiring is next on the list.

                                    HelmutHelmut

                                    Helmut

                                    Helmut

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                                    • YoungCRY
                                      YoungCRY
                                      YoungCR
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                                      #48

                                      Always inspiring to see these diy paint set ups. Can’t wait to see the final results!

                                      Chris Young
                                      BMWCCA #458972
                                      1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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                                      • SteelBlueS
                                        SteelBlueS
                                        SteelBlue
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                                        Using an easy up as a paint booth frame is a great idea.

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                                          gilber33
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                                          SteelBlue said:

                                          Using an easy up as a paint booth frame is a great idea. 

                                          It certainly is. I'm really annoyed that I spent the time and money building one when I have one.

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