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the one and only e30 s52 engine swap

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  • EarlE
    EarlE
    Earl
    wrote on last edited by
    #295

    Nice progress. What steering wheel were you going with?

    museum sig 2earl.jpg

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    • B
      B
      B C
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      #296

      That spal fan will pull too much current on the inrush. I tried wiring it to both high and low speed circuits. It would always pop the fuse on one, and would pop it one in ten times on the other. Unfortunately the only way to wire it reliably is to use the Spal fan harness. i was able to do it cleanly along the passenger side fender.

      fyi, that exhaust is going to be loud

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      • jc43089J
        jc43089J
        jc43089
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        The threads in the head for the temp sensor are not NPT.  It is an M14x1.5 mm straight thread.  I don't know what the VDO sensor is but it should not be just cranked in there.  The head does not have tapered threads and should seal with a crush washer like the factory sensor, it will not seal otherwise.

        I have an Autometer gauge and the sender is 1/8" NPT and I bought an adapter from 1/8 NPT to M14x1.5.

        2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
        3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
        '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

        '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

        '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
        '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
        '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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        • AsparagusMikeA
          AsparagusMikeA
          AsparagusMike
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          #298

          snap said:

          That spal fan will pull too much current on the inrush. I tried wiring it to both high and low speed circuits. It would always pop the fuse on one, and would pop it one in ten times on the other. Unfortunately the only way to wire it reliably is to use the Spal fan harness. i was able to do it cleanly along the passenger side fender.

          Thank you for the info. I actually purchased the spal wiring harness when I bought the fan but then figured I wouldn't need it if I can use the factory wiring. I suppose it will come in handy after all.

          straight6pwr said:

          IIRC, you can swap the seat belt receptacle to the other side to make that seat temporarily safe to use. 

          for the spider hose, i believe i trimmed the end that hooks to the heater core pipes to let it sit straighter. its not designed for the e30 chassis, obviously, so its not a perfect fit. however, I don't that that kink is going to cause you a problem, either. 

          here's your info for the aux fan wiring: https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=210783 

          Well it seems the seats may be here sooner then I thought... 😄

          I fiddled around with the spider coolant hose again last night and I got it to where the kink is very minimal and should work fine. I did trim it down a bit as well which definitely helped.

          snap said:

          fyi, that exhaust is going to be loud

          Good

          jc43089 said:

          The threads in the head for the temp sensor are not NPT.  It is an M14x1.5 mm straight thread.  I don't know what the VDO sensor is but it should not be just cranked in there.  The head does not have tapered threads and should seal with a crush washer like the factory sensor, it will not seal otherwise.

          I have an Autometer gauge and the sender is 1/8" NPT and I bought an adapter from 1/8 NPT to M14x1.5.

          I ordered an assortment of metric adapters that should be here tomorrow. Hopefully it does the trick. Thx!

          Earl said:

          Nice progress. What steering wheel were you going with?

          http://www.renownusa.com/product/renown-130r-motorsport-competition

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          • EarlE
            EarlE
            Earl
            wrote on last edited by
            #299

            I had a Renown and it seemed a bit flimsy in comparison to all of the Momos I've had. I also just found out that they're just a rebranded Chinese wheel. Look at Viilante steering wheels on eBay. They're the same wheels as Renown but different branding.

            museum sig 2earl.jpg

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            • straight6pwrS
              straight6pwrS
              straight6pwr
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              #300

              Earl said:

              I had a Renown and it seemed a bit flimsy in comparison to all of the Momos I've had. I also just found out that they're just a rebranded Chinese wheel. Look at Viilante steering wheels on eBay. They're the same wheels as Renown but different branding. 

              while it definitely could be rebranded, or share overseas suppliers for parts, my renown wheel is not flimsy. i torque'd on it pretty good and felt i was at risk of breaking something in the column else before the wheel was going to bend.

              Dan
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              • EarlE
                EarlE
                Earl
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                #301

                I'm not saying it's flimsy like a noodle but it definitely has more give to it than any of the Momo's I've had, and my Italvolanti. For the price Scott charges for Renown wheels they should be from a better source than what I've come to find out. For almost half of his cost you can get the exact same wheel that just has a different name on it. At the price point that those are sold for, it makes for a decent budget wheel.

                museum sig 2earl.jpg

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                • straight6pwrS
                  straight6pwrS
                  straight6pwr
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #302

                  Earl said:

                  I'm not saying it's flimsy like a noodle but it definitely has more give to it than any of the Momo's I've had, and my Italvolanti. For the price Scott charges for Renown wheels they should be from a better source than what I've come to find out. For almost half of his cost you can get the exact same wheel that just has a different name on it. At the price point that those are sold for, it makes for a decent budget wheel. 

                  if those ebay wheels are the same thing, that'd be a great deal!

                  Dan
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                  • EarlE
                    EarlE
                    Earl
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                    #303

                    The Viilante Leggera is the 130r if you wanted to find them Mike

                    museum sig 2earl.jpg

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                    • KaiserRollsK
                      KaiserRollsK
                      KaiserRolls
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                      #304

                      FWIW, VDO does make the appropriate metric threaded sensors

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                      • AsparagusMikeA
                        AsparagusMikeA
                        AsparagusMike
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                        Earl said:

                        The Viilante Leggera is the 130r if you wanted to find them Mike

                        Thank you for this! But, I think for now tell I can do some more research and make up my mind I'll be running with the original steering wheel.

                        jc43089 said:

                        The threads in the head for the temp sensor are not NPT.  It is an M14x1.5 mm straight thread.  I don't know what the VDO sensor is but it should not be just cranked in there.  The head does not have tapered threads and should seal with a crush washer like the factory sensor, it will not seal otherwise.

                        I have an Autometer gauge and the sender is 1/8" NPT and I bought an adapter from 1/8 NPT to M14x1.5.

                        Just so there's no confusion, the threads are actually a M12 x 1.5. The adapters I received yesterday did not come with that size threads (should have double checked before ordering). However, I did get the right one ordered from Auto Meter that should be here tomorrow.

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                        • KaiserRollsK
                          KaiserRollsK
                          KaiserRolls
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                          #306

                          What gauge and sensor did you end up buying?

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                          • AsparagusMikeA
                            AsparagusMikeA
                            AsparagusMike
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                            #307

                            KaiserRolls said:

                            What gauge and sensor did you end up buying?

                            Gauge is a vdo 310105

                            Sending unit is a vdo 323900 (0-250 degree)

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                            • SteelBlueS
                              SteelBlueS
                              SteelBlue
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                              #308

                              This thread makes me feel bad about my attempt at this swap.

                              Good work.

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                              • jc43089J
                                jc43089J
                                jc43089
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #309

                                AsparagusMike said:

                                Thank you for this! But, I think for now tell I can do some more research and make up my mind I'll be running with the original steering wheel.

                                Just so there's no confusion, the threads are actually a M12 x 1.5. The adapters I received yesterday did not come with that size threads (should have double checked before ordering). However, I did get the right one ordered from Auto Meter that should be here tomorrow.

                                Are you installing it where the TB heater nipple came from?  I thought that was M12x1.5 and the sensors whether you have 1 or 2 are M14x1.5.

                                2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                                3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                                '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                                '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                                '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                                '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                                '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                                • AsparagusMikeA
                                  AsparagusMikeA
                                  AsparagusMike
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                                  #310

                                  jc43089 said:

                                  Are you installing it where the TB heater nipple came from?  I thought that was M12x1.5 and the sensors whether you have 1 or 2 are M14x1.5.

                                  All the threaded holes there are gonna be a M12 x 1.5.

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                                  • AsparagusMikeA
                                    AsparagusMikeA
                                    AsparagusMike
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                                    #311

                                    Alright, I got me a problem.

                                    Got everything thrown back together on the motor. Went to crank it over, nothin.

                                    No crank just a couple clicks from the abs unit and a humming noise from the IAC valve.

                                    So far I have been able to eliminate the starter and battery from the list of suspects.

                                    Reason for this is because I pulled all the wires off the starter solenoid, pulled the battery from the car and hooked up jumper cables straight to the starter and grounded to the housing. Used the old screwdriver trick and was able to get the starter to spin the engine no problem.

                                    After confirming this I threw everything back together.

                                    Went ahead and pulled the engine ground off and cleaned both sides to confirm a good clean ground as well as all the wires hooked on to the battery cable mounting block in the engine bay and gave it another try, nothin.

                                    Checked power coming to the starter from the main battery cable, got a good constant +12 volts.

                                    Checked power coming to the small post from the ignition wire (black and yellow) while I had a friend turn the key over, +12 volts.

                                    Flipped the relays around between the O2, fuel pump, and starter, nothin.

                                    I'm stumped guys.

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                                    • jc43089J
                                      jc43089J
                                      jc43089
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                                      #312

                                      Here is a link to the ETM.  I assume most of the stuff is E30 wiring for the starter anyway.  Here is a screenshot, there is no starter relay, if the black/yellow wire at the starter is getting 12V when the key is turned to the start position then there is a bad ground somewhere.  

                                      http://wedophones.com/Manuals/BMW/1991 BMW 318i - 318is - 318ic Electrical Troubleshooting Manual.pdf

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                                      2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                                      3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                                      '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                                      '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                                      '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                                      '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                                      '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                                      • B
                                        B
                                        B C
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                                        #313
                                        1. was the car an automatic

                                        2. you started it with the key and same wiring configuration before, correct?

                                        the couple times i couldnt get my car to crank I realized I had the C101 adapter disconnected... oops

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                                        • straight6pwrS
                                          straight6pwrS
                                          straight6pwr
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                                          #314

                                          did you whisper some sweet nothings in her ear before just sticking the key in?

                                          Dan
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