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  • m42b32M
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    m/s5x engines seem to swing pretty significantly while driving, especially if you don't have a fan running all the time. It's probably what led them to developing a buffered temp gauge on the e36. There was a thread/video of a guy who eliminated the buffering on the gauge and it was all over the place even with normal driving. This was likely in a car with the stock 92C thermostat:

    https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?1957969-E36-M3-Temp-gage-with-buffer-bypassed-(-video-)

     Have you tried driving it with the fan just always on to see how it does? 

    For reference: on my e36 with an 80c thermostat, cruising down the freeway the temps are typically around 188F but randomly move around between 186 and 194 (these numbers are read from the ECU/obd2 port via an UltraGauge). Sitting at a stoplight with the fan off it will likely overheat eventually if I were to just let it go with no fan, even with a perfectly operational cooling system. Stop and go traffic it will slowly rise to over 200F before I switch the fan on.

    1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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      I got the new starter in, before I put the manifold back on, I tried it out and  it still wont start. Battery was new 2 months ago, cables and connections test good. Im thinking the alternator may not be working properly. I have more testing to do before i pull it off the car and take it to get tested. I was planning to replace the old cheap mystery starter I had anyways so I dont care much about that.

      I pulled the plugs just to check them out and make sure there wasnt any hydrolocking. Plugs look good/the same and the engine rotates freely by hand

      E30 picnic is not looking very promising at all.

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        I took my alternator to Vato Zone and it failed twice on the bench tester. The smarter of the two guys trying to test it said it was the voltage regulator. Im going to take a look at the brushes and see what a new regulator would run.

        A wonky alternator could in theory cause random temperature spikes. The VDO temperature senders are high resistance at low temperatures and low resistance at high temperatures.  Lower voltage = lower resistance 

        This could explain why the indicated temperature would seem to drop when I turn the cooling fan off. It was strange behavior but if it turned the fan on/off/on/off I could usually get it to drop 5-10 degrees after the fan turned off. If the alternator function cut in/out it would explain a sudden spike to 220 then drop back to 200.

        Who knows, maybe my o2 sensor issue is also related to a voltage issue, something to re-visit  once a working alternator goes in. 

        I'm going to take it to another store at lunchtime to get it tested just to be sure. I don't have complete faith in the guys that tested it last night. They kept trying to plug a 3 pin connector into it (spent 2 minutes looking for some sort of connector on the alternator housing) and kept calling the exciter wire post a ground.

        dorks.

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        • jc43089J
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          Yes low voltage will cause a high temp reading on short sweep gauges.  I discovered that the reason the gauge on mine went sky high while my wife was driving it was because I hooked the gauge ground pin to the dimmer circuit instead of steady ground.  It was fine when she left because she didn't have the lights on.  When she came home it was dark and she turned the lights on so the dimmer raises the voltage on the ground side and the voltage powering the gauge was reduced.  You could swing the gauge up and down by moving the illumination dimmer roller.

          2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
          3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
          '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

          '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

          '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
          '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
          '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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            Alrighty, alternator confirmed bad by another store. I had the store test the one I was about to buy (reman) but the new one was also bad, Ha!. I should be able to pickup another one today. Lets see if I can get this back together and driving again this weekend.

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              The family went out running errands long enough for me to pickup the new alternator. It tested good. I got it installed, and made some motor mount shims. I will pop these in sometime later today when its not interfering with family time.

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              • JeffJ
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                You better make it to that e30 picnic. I want to check it out. I’m planning one getting out there in one of our cars.

                1976 530i e12
                1990 325ix e30
                1992 325i e36
                1995 740il e38
                2001 330xi e46
                ^More to come :)

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                  Bite-sized update as usual: Engine shimmed about 5/16” on the drivers side and hey! My manifold now clears the booster!

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                  The ICV hose is genuine BMW and its already cracking.

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                  • jc43089J
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                    snap said:

                    Bite-sized update as usual: Engine shimmed about 5/16” on the drivers side and hey! My manifold now clears the booster!

                    The ICV hose is genuine BMW and its already cracking.

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                    That's how you know it's good.  They must be sourcing Uro parts.  Where is the pcv hose that goes on that nipple?

                    2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                    3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                    '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                    '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                    '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                    '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                    '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                      The PCV hose that goes on that nipple is laying limp in the engine bay.  I have the manifold on and torqued but still need to make all the connections.

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                      • GunMetalGreyG
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                        Maybe it's the coolant vapors from the impending head gasket death that are causing premature wear, or your oil is toxic and your rings are shot so you are seeing too much oil through the manifold and it is wearing out the elbow, and don't forget the potential that your power steering pump is leaking and the pulley for it is flinging the fluid up and when you drive the air pushes the fluid back against the elbow.

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                        • m42b32M
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                          GunMetalGrey said:

                          Maybe it's the coolant vapors from the impending head gasket death that are causing premature wear, or your oil is toxic and your rings are shot so you are seeing too much oil through the manifold and it is wearing out the elbow, and don't forget the potential that your power steering pump is leaking and the pulley for it is flinging the fluid up and when you drive the air pushes the fluid back against the elbow.

                          Lets not get crazy here WebMD

                          1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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                            I knew it was Lupus.

                            FWIW the rubber grommet on my new BMW throttle cable was also cracked. 
                            Im guessing its just new old stock. Every other piece of rubber old and new is holding up fine. I ran a tightly wrapped strip of electrical tape over the ICV hose and added a hose clamp for good measure.

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                            • GunMetalGreyG
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                              m42b32 said:

                              Lets not get crazy here WebMD 

                              I figured I would go on the "SnapPath"

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                                WebMD lists causes for a cough as being anything from a common cold to heart failure

                                When my kids start hacking something up, I reach straight for the Lipitor.

                                You gotta plan for the worst case scenario

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                                  May have missed this but did the new alternator fix the temp issue?

                                  1990 325i racecar (ITS, former Spec E30); 2004 330i ZHP

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                                    Boris3 said:

                                    May have missed this but did the new alternator fix the temp issue?

                                    Not yet determined. 
                                    I have the manifold on, just need to make the connections to it tonight and will probably give it a test drive tomorrow after work to see how things are going.

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                                    • straight6pwrS
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                                      Boris3 said:

                                      did the new alternator fix the temp issue?

                                      that just sounds ridiculous when you read it.

                                      Dan
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                                        straight6pwr said:

                                        that just sounds ridiculous when you read it.

                                        Agreed... though with all at play in the ongoing @snap saga I am withholding judgement. Who knows. The curse is strong in this one, and meanwhile I wait patiently with my temp gun.

                                        1990 325i racecar (ITS, former Spec E30); 2004 330i ZHP

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                                          I guess I better try to wear all black to the picnic so all the temp guns pointed at me get as accurate of a reading as possible.

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