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  • patsbimmer1P
    patsbimmer1P
    patsbimmer1
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    #568

    I remember driving M5x engines and living in constant fear of the cooling system failing and constantly watching the temp gauge.  Then I bought an N54 and couldn't believe the audacity of BMW to REMOVE a coolant temp gauge from a car and replace it with oil temp!  How dare they!  I was constantly paranoid about the cooling system in the N54 until one day I just realized there was nothing to worry about anymore.  Overheating was no longer a thing and it's the same in the S65.  I say this because I understand your fears and your anxiety.  I also understand the freedom of not worrying.  220 doesn't seem that high to me.  230 and up and I start turning the heat on in the car but 220 and below, meh.  It's a swapped car.  It'll never be perfect.  Just drive it.

    2011 e90 M3 - DCT, Borla exhaust, BMW Performance Black Grille, ECS Painted Corners, Ziza Angel Eyes

    07 335i Stella - sport package, BMS DCI, zhp knob, TMS cf parking brake lever, VRSF downpipes, MHD tune, H&R race springs, other stuff *SOLD*

    97 328i Lola - sport package, m50 intake manifold, m50 manifold.com install kit, custom CAI, K&N filter, Borla exhaust, FK silverline coilovers, 25.5mm front sway bar, Powerflex front sway bushings, Turner Radiator, fan delete *sold*
    95 325is *sold*
    93 nissan 240sx KA-T *sold*

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    • EarlE
      EarlE
      Earl
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      #569

      Never worry about overheating in an N54, yet the electric waterpumps are a common issue🤣

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        The big difference is that the N5X protects itself and as far as im aware you are still able to drive it at a very reduced power level.

        Whereas the M5X:

        THIS IS FINe. OC I'm oKAY WITH THe eveNTS THAT ARe UNFOLDING CURReNTLY. THAT'S oKAY,THINGS ARe GOING TO 8e OKAY

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        • patsbimmer1P
          patsbimmer1P
          patsbimmer1
          wrote on last edited by
          #571

          Earl said:

          Never worry about overheating in an N54, yet the electric waterpumps are a common issue🤣

          Had it fail once.  It went into limp mode, got it towed and all was good.  M5x on the other hand... exploding fans, leaking radiator necks, consumable water pump fins and so on.  I swear that cooling system is made of glass and that was at stock power levels.  The N5x is dead nuts reliable when it comes to the cooling system other than the possibility of a water pump failing one time.

          2011 e90 M3 - DCT, Borla exhaust, BMW Performance Black Grille, ECS Painted Corners, Ziza Angel Eyes

          07 335i Stella - sport package, BMS DCI, zhp knob, TMS cf parking brake lever, VRSF downpipes, MHD tune, H&R race springs, other stuff *SOLD*

          97 328i Lola - sport package, m50 intake manifold, m50 manifold.com install kit, custom CAI, K&N filter, Borla exhaust, FK silverline coilovers, 25.5mm front sway bar, Powerflex front sway bushings, Turner Radiator, fan delete *sold*
          95 325is *sold*
          93 nissan 240sx KA-T *sold*

          BMWCCA #473306

          Instagram @patsbimmer1

          AKA- HALLWAY PAT

          "burnouts bring babes and babes dont have time for bushings" - Kaiser Rolls

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          • m42b32M
            m42b32M
            m42b32
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            #572

            m/s5x engines seem to swing pretty significantly while driving, especially if you don't have a fan running all the time. It's probably what led them to developing a buffered temp gauge on the e36. There was a thread/video of a guy who eliminated the buffering on the gauge and it was all over the place even with normal driving. This was likely in a car with the stock 92C thermostat:

            https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?1957969-E36-M3-Temp-gage-with-buffer-bypassed-(-video-)

             Have you tried driving it with the fan just always on to see how it does? 

            For reference: on my e36 with an 80c thermostat, cruising down the freeway the temps are typically around 188F but randomly move around between 186 and 194 (these numbers are read from the ECU/obd2 port via an UltraGauge). Sitting at a stoplight with the fan off it will likely overheat eventually if I were to just let it go with no fan, even with a perfectly operational cooling system. Stop and go traffic it will slowly rise to over 200F before I switch the fan on.

            1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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              I got the new starter in, before I put the manifold back on, I tried it out and  it still wont start. Battery was new 2 months ago, cables and connections test good. Im thinking the alternator may not be working properly. I have more testing to do before i pull it off the car and take it to get tested. I was planning to replace the old cheap mystery starter I had anyways so I dont care much about that.

              I pulled the plugs just to check them out and make sure there wasnt any hydrolocking. Plugs look good/the same and the engine rotates freely by hand

              E30 picnic is not looking very promising at all.

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                #574

                I took my alternator to Vato Zone and it failed twice on the bench tester. The smarter of the two guys trying to test it said it was the voltage regulator. Im going to take a look at the brushes and see what a new regulator would run.

                A wonky alternator could in theory cause random temperature spikes. The VDO temperature senders are high resistance at low temperatures and low resistance at high temperatures.  Lower voltage = lower resistance 

                This could explain why the indicated temperature would seem to drop when I turn the cooling fan off. It was strange behavior but if it turned the fan on/off/on/off I could usually get it to drop 5-10 degrees after the fan turned off. If the alternator function cut in/out it would explain a sudden spike to 220 then drop back to 200.

                Who knows, maybe my o2 sensor issue is also related to a voltage issue, something to re-visit  once a working alternator goes in. 

                I'm going to take it to another store at lunchtime to get it tested just to be sure. I don't have complete faith in the guys that tested it last night. They kept trying to plug a 3 pin connector into it (spent 2 minutes looking for some sort of connector on the alternator housing) and kept calling the exciter wire post a ground.

                dorks.

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                • jc43089J
                  jc43089J
                  jc43089
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                  #575

                  Yes low voltage will cause a high temp reading on short sweep gauges.  I discovered that the reason the gauge on mine went sky high while my wife was driving it was because I hooked the gauge ground pin to the dimmer circuit instead of steady ground.  It was fine when she left because she didn't have the lights on.  When she came home it was dark and she turned the lights on so the dimmer raises the voltage on the ground side and the voltage powering the gauge was reduced.  You could swing the gauge up and down by moving the illumination dimmer roller.

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                  3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                  '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                  '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                  '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                  '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                  '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                    Alrighty, alternator confirmed bad by another store. I had the store test the one I was about to buy (reman) but the new one was also bad, Ha!. I should be able to pickup another one today. Lets see if I can get this back together and driving again this weekend.

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                      The family went out running errands long enough for me to pickup the new alternator. It tested good. I got it installed, and made some motor mount shims. I will pop these in sometime later today when its not interfering with family time.

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                      • JeffJ
                        JeffJ
                        Jeff
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                        #578

                        You better make it to that e30 picnic. I want to check it out. I’m planning one getting out there in one of our cars.

                        1976 530i e12
                        1990 325ix e30
                        1992 325i e36
                        1995 740il e38
                        2001 330xi e46
                        ^More to come :)

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                          #579

                          Bite-sized update as usual: Engine shimmed about 5/16” on the drivers side and hey! My manifold now clears the booster!

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                          The ICV hose is genuine BMW and its already cracking.

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                          • jc43089J
                            jc43089J
                            jc43089
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                            #580

                            snap said:

                            Bite-sized update as usual: Engine shimmed about 5/16” on the drivers side and hey! My manifold now clears the booster!

                            The ICV hose is genuine BMW and its already cracking.

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                            That's how you know it's good.  They must be sourcing Uro parts.  Where is the pcv hose that goes on that nipple?

                            2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                            3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                            '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                            '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                            '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                            '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                            '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                              The PCV hose that goes on that nipple is laying limp in the engine bay.  I have the manifold on and torqued but still need to make all the connections.

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                              • GunMetalGreyG
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                                GunMetalGrey
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                                #582

                                Maybe it's the coolant vapors from the impending head gasket death that are causing premature wear, or your oil is toxic and your rings are shot so you are seeing too much oil through the manifold and it is wearing out the elbow, and don't forget the potential that your power steering pump is leaking and the pulley for it is flinging the fluid up and when you drive the air pushes the fluid back against the elbow.

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                                • m42b32M
                                  m42b32M
                                  m42b32
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                                  #583

                                  GunMetalGrey said:

                                  Maybe it's the coolant vapors from the impending head gasket death that are causing premature wear, or your oil is toxic and your rings are shot so you are seeing too much oil through the manifold and it is wearing out the elbow, and don't forget the potential that your power steering pump is leaking and the pulley for it is flinging the fluid up and when you drive the air pushes the fluid back against the elbow.

                                  Lets not get crazy here WebMD

                                  1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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                                    I knew it was Lupus.

                                    FWIW the rubber grommet on my new BMW throttle cable was also cracked. 
                                    Im guessing its just new old stock. Every other piece of rubber old and new is holding up fine. I ran a tightly wrapped strip of electrical tape over the ICV hose and added a hose clamp for good measure.

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                                    • GunMetalGreyG
                                      GunMetalGreyG
                                      GunMetalGrey
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                                      #585

                                      m42b32 said:

                                      Lets not get crazy here WebMD 

                                      I figured I would go on the "SnapPath"

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                                        #586

                                        WebMD lists causes for a cough as being anything from a common cold to heart failure

                                        When my kids start hacking something up, I reach straight for the Lipitor.

                                        You gotta plan for the worst case scenario

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                                          Boris3
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                                          #587

                                          May have missed this but did the new alternator fix the temp issue?

                                          1990 325i racecar (ITS, former Spec E30); 2004 330i ZHP

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