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  • ClassEC
    ClassEC
    ClassE
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    #304

    I hate the original manifold enough I'd have no issues sacrificing some performance to change the aestethics until I had everything ready for boost. I'd like to pursue the ITB route tho if we can make it cost effective.

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      A log manifold will have much nicer acoustics/induction sound than the stock M20 manifold. I would do a custom log manifold before ITBs, you will still gain awesome sounds, especially when running MS with a map sensor.

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        Rowleym
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        Snap said:

        A log manifold will have much nicer acoustics/induction sound than the stock M20 manifold. I would do a custom log manifold before ITBs, you will still gain awesome sounds, especially when running MS with a map sensor. 

        So you believe ITB's with boost wouldn't be really worth it? I could build a regular manifold this weekend... hmmm.

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          And how long of runners should I build? You should help me design a plenum!

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          • ClassEC
            ClassEC
            ClassE
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            I can swing buying the materials and labor for a good log mani in fall - I don't think ITB's and everything to do it "right" are my budget for this fall. :(

            Here's what I would like to see:

            -Tapered plenum that clears stock brake booster

            -Velocity stacks (preferrably full bell radius that protrude "into" the plenum - but brake booster clearance could be an issue)

            The main issue I see is the brake booster - clearing it restricts the runner lengths.

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            • EarlE
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              Earl
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              #309

              http://www.massivebrakes.com/brake-systems.php?p=brake-booster-delete

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                Well we are starting on our intake manifold this weekend, and we are going to build two! At least for now. Now to find/build some velocity stacks.

                Would velocity stacks even matter with forced induction?

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                  Earl said:

                  http://www.massivebrakes.com/brake-systems.php?p=brake-booster-delete

                  I should do this..

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                    Velocity stacks are always beneficial. 

                    Instead of removing the brake booster, I would probably opt for runners that are angled forward so that the runners and plenum clear it just fine.

                    Im thinking buy some aluminum 130 degree mandrel bends and do a bundle of snakes like the M5, though all the snakes would be pointed towards the back of the drivers side headlight instead of all over the place.  This would not only help with the clearance issue, but it would also allow you longer runners to keep the mid-range happy

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                    • ClassEC
                      ClassEC
                      ClassE
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                      Earl said:

                      http://www.massivebrakes.com/brake-systems.php?p=brake-booster-delete

                      I'll have to read up on this more tonight - but that's a nice solution!

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                        Decreasing the braking power is always the first step to going faster

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                          Rowleym
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                          130 degree bends to cut in half? What runner length would you like? I cut a manifold up, and I will be taking measurements tonight.

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                          • ClassEC
                            ClassEC
                            ClassE
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                            He means a runner angle like this:

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                            Which would work best for NA if you can clear the booster (or delete it). Longer runners will give more torque in lower RPMs.

                            I love this idea - I'm not sure it's a "whack it up and weld" kinda job - but I don't know your fab skills either. Regardless - if I stay M20 this is most likely course of action in fall!

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                              Ah yes. Looks like its been done before. Nice work finding the pic

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                              • DrLeadFootD
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                                DrLeadFoot
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                                If you keep the M20 carbs would be a unique look. http://www.performanceforums.com/forums/showthread.php?67286940-NA-M20-with-TK-goodness

                                If you're going for big power go 24v.

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                                  DrLeadFoot said:

                                  If you keep the M20 carbs would be a unique look. http://www.performanceforums.com/forums/showthread.php?67286940-NA-M20-with-TK-goodness

                                  If you're going for big power go 24v.

                                  Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk

                                  Mention of ditching EFI for carbs  and ditching M20 for 24v  

                                  all in one post.

                                  I cant handle this.

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                                  • DrLeadFootD
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                                    DrLeadFoot
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                                    Snap said:

                                    If you keep the M20 carbs would be a unique look. http://www.performanceforums.com/forums/showthread.php?67286940-NA-M20-with-TK-goodness

                                    If you're going for big power go 24v.

                                    Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk

                                    Mention of ditching EFI for carbs  and ditching M20 for 24v  

                                    all in one post.

                                    I cant handle this.

                                    Haha. That post has Snap written all over it!

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                                      Rowleym
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                                      ClassE said:

                                      He means a runner angle like this:

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                                      Which would work best for NA if you can clear the booster (or delete it). Longer runners will give more torque in lower RPMs.

                                      I love this idea - I'm not sure it's a "whack it up and weld" kinda job - but I don't know your fab skills either. Regardless - if I stay M20 this is most likely course of action in fall!

                                      If Anyone has a CAD drawing of an m20 manifold flange, I could CNC a flange, and not use the stock stuff at all, but then I would also have to build injector bungs, and then it starts getting costy(for you guys). 

                                      I was going to use the stock manifold, and cut the flange, to try and keep the cost low for the people. And its damn easy. 

                                      But I do have material for 3 Intake manifolds for supercharged m50's currently

                                      I am adapting a gen 3 eaton m90 to 24v's, but I am also thinking about doing it to an e30 :) 

                                      But I do not have velocity stacks yet(wasn't going to use them with the supercharger) and I don't have those little bends. 

                                      But why did you say 130* snap?

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                                        Rowleym said:

                                        But why did you say 130* snap? 

                                        I was laying on my side while I posted that, now that I am right-side up, it would be more of a 60-70 degree bend.

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                                        • ClassEC
                                          ClassEC
                                          ClassE
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                                          Started replacing front tie rods last night - didn't know BMW used a lock plate to hold the inner tie rods.... Which apparently needs to be replaced since you ruin them removing the originals.

                                          So dealership will have some for me tomorrow - car sits until then. :( So no alignment before Saturday. No happy about it - but not super concerned either. Rear toe looks good, car tracks straight, camber is alittle off side-to-side but not enough to worry me for 200 miles.

                                          After the GTG.... Time for some painting and coating in the bay before Scooters.

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