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  • m42b32M
    m42b32M
    m42b32
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    Made some longer studs and got the e46 oil level sensor mounted in the e34 oil pan 

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    Finished re-wrapping the e39 main engine harness and cleaned up the coil harness, got both installed as far as I can for now

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    I also started cleaning the engine bay a bit. I'm not going to paint it as I don't have a good way of going about it in my current garage, so a decent clean will have to do. Someday I'll pull everything apart and clean and paint it all properly. Planning to get started on the master cylinder/booster swap and ABS delete next week.

    1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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      I should have done an ABS delete. Its on my list for next winter/next week, whichever is colder

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      • KaiserRollsK
        KaiserRollsK
        KaiserRolls
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        ABS delete everything

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        • straight6pwrS
          straight6pwrS
          straight6pwr
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          #553

          unless your ABS is not functioning, why would you delete it?

          Dan
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          • KaiserRollsK
            KaiserRollsK
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            straight6pwr said:

            unless your ABS is not-functioning, why would you delete it?

            Less weight, more room, archaic BS, less points of failure & cool guy points

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            • m42b32M
              m42b32M
              m42b32
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              #555

              straight6pwr said:

              unless your ABS is not functioning, why would you delete it?

              It hasn't worked properly since before my friend bought the car nearly 10 years ago. When I re-did the suspension last winter I removed all the wheel speed sensors so it was effectively removed then, and it's the perfect time to remove everything else with the engine out. One of my goals is to simplify things where I can, and it makes bleeding the complete system easier as well.

              Non-ABS front brake lines: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showparts?id=AF93-USA-04-1991-E30-BMW-318is&diagId=34_0150

              ABS front brake lines: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showparts?id=AF93-USA-04-1991-E30-BMW-318is&diagId=34_0157

              1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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                straight6pwr said:

                unless your ABS is not functioning, why would you delete it?

                Early on in my E30 ownership I had a malfunctioning ABS hydraulic unit which would run the pump and freeze my brake pedal upon first application after reaching 5mph or whatever the activation speed is. I resolved that but I have never really needed the ABS and would enjoy the 20lbs or so reduction forward of the axle and have more space for a boxed off intake heat shield

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                • straight6pwrS
                  straight6pwrS
                  straight6pwr
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                  #557

                  i think the benefits of ABS far outweigh 'i made my car 20lbs lighter' and 'its less stuff to break'

                  besides, the e30 system is the most placated system i've ever run into. it barely wants to intervene, even in snowy/icy conditions. my e34 system likes to go off if i'm braking and go over a bump in the road...

                  Dan
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                    Oh trust me, I've been voting for Ralph Nader and voting to keep the ABS for as long as I can remember but after the war/stripping all the cam bearing studs and helicoiling them all I just haven't been the same.

                    It changes a man. 

                    but yes, your point about it not intervening much/at all is a good thing, but its also part of the reason im okay disposing of it. I didnt bump into ABS or wheel lock at Blackhawk on all seasons ("you obviously werent driving hard enough!")  I suspect as I try out autocross this year that some of the more abrupt corners may lock up the inside a bit. Not worried

                    Famous final words before I live up to my name and snap understeer into a curb.

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                    • straight6pwrS
                      straight6pwrS
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                      snap said:

                      but yes, your point about it not intervening much/at all is a good thing, but its also part of the reason im okay disposing of it. I didnt bump into ABS or wheel lock at Blackhawk on all seasons ("you obviously werent driving hard enough!")  I suspect as I try out autocross this year that some of the more abrupt corners may lock up the inside a bit. Not worried

                      snap said:

                       I suspect as I try out autocross this year

                      snap said:

                      I try out autocross

                      i didn't hear anything you said except this. hell, yes.

                      Dan
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                      • m42b32M
                        m42b32M
                        m42b32
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                        #560

                        straight6pwr said:

                        i think the benefits of ABS far outweigh 'i made my car 20lbs lighter' and 'its less stuff to break'

                        besides, the e30 system is the most placated system i've ever run into. it barely wants to intervene, even in snowy/icy conditions. my e34 system likes to go off if i'm braking and go over a bump in the road...

                        I agree that the safety benefits of properly functional ABS far outweigh the added complexity/weight, at least on a daily driver or regularly street driven car where things can be much more unpredictable. If my pump weren't toast I'd be repairing the crumbling wiring/straightening out the bent lines (pump got hit pretty hard when I hit the deer, bent all it's mounts and screwed up the lines going to the pump) and keeping it, but since the whole system is just so far gone removing it seems like the right way to go.

                        snap said:

                        I suspect as I try out autocross this year that some of the more abrupt corners may lock up the inside a bit.

                        Hell yeah! 

                        All 3 events I did last year were with completely disabled ABS and I didn't really have any major issues with locking up, even when things were wet. I think it only happened a handful of times, and just briefly. Only one time did it cause me to go way wide and that was way more my lack of skill than the lack of ABS.

                        1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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                          Tires can matter. Last year ABS disabled running on Hoosier takeoffs for the first time in race day sessions and I had some flat spotting issues. I wasn't used to the braking modulation and grip level compared to the Toyo RR/RA-1 and had to adjust.

                          1990 325i racecar (ITS, former Spec E30); 2004 330i ZHP

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                          • m42b32M
                            m42b32M
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                            Making progress!

                            Oil pump reassembled with new pressure relief spring/o-ring and Achilles Motorsport hardened pump shaft kit. Primed the pump and reinstalled it to the block with the e38 pickup tube. With that all reinstalled I checked the clearance from the bottom of the pickup to the bottom of the pan, and it's darn near perfect. Around 1/8" and it lands right where the e34 m50 pickup would, so I ordered an Achilles pan baffle to install in the pan before I bolt it back on.

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                            I also started mounting up the Bimmerworld oil distribution block. This one is meant for e36 engines, but I got it cheap so I'm making it work here. All I had to do was grind down a rib on the M54 oil filter housing and it fit perfectly. With this block I can keep the original pressure sensor and add senders for the oil temperature and pressure gauges in the console.

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                            Got back into the engine bay work. Removed the brake master cylinder and booster, old clutch feed hose, the brake lines running from the master to the ABS pump, and the ABS pump itself. That sucker is surprisingly heavy. Next up is to remove the lines running to the calipers and the rear brake bias valve so I can start making the new ones. I also started cleaning the bay, but the brake lines were in the way so I stopped until they're all out of the way.

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                            I removed a bunch of stuff and started cleaning the other side until I ran out of water and simple green. Starting to look much better! It won't be perfect, especially since I won't be painting the bay, but it will be good enough for now. 

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                            1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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                            • GunMetalGreyG
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                              The bay is looking nice! Cleaning up white E30 engine bays is not fun at all.

                              I'm really looking forward to seeing / hearing how this feels with the M54 compared to my familiarity of e30's with m5x/s5x.

                              ...

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                                Thanks for mentioning that oil distribution block, I didn't know that one existed but I will definitely be buying that one!

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                                  Looking good! Apologies if I missed it above but what are you using for the new hard brake lines to the calipers and bias valve?

                                  1990 325i racecar (ITS, former Spec E30); 2004 330i ZHP

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                                  • m42b32M
                                    m42b32M
                                    m42b32
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                                    snap said:

                                    Thanks for mentioning that oil distribution block, I didn't know that one existed but I will definitely be buying that one!

                                    Its a nice solution compared to mixing and matching fittings! My only concern is that with the way it's weighted, it is pulling in the direction of loosening the banjo bolt holding/sealing the whole assembly.  I'm guessing it will be fine if I crank it down, but I may look into a way to either brace it or secure the banjo bolt with safety wire/etc. 

                                    Boris3 said:

                                    Looking good! Apologies if I missed it above but what are you using for the new hard brake lines to the calipers and bias valve?

                                    I had ordered a roll of PVF coated steel brake line, but it looks like I got sent the wrong thing and it's just the greenish colored steel line similar to OEM. If it gives me problems I'll probably switch to nicopp.

                                    1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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                                    • m42b32M
                                      m42b32M
                                      m42b32
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                                      Made some progress over the weekend: 

                                      Replaced the rear main seal with a genuine BMW seal:

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                                      I also removed the original baffle from the e34 oil pan to replace it with an Achilles Motorsport baffle. This baffle isn't designed to be used on an M54 but the e38 oil pickup lands in relatively the same spot as the e34 pickup, and after a little trial and error with notching the baffle to clear the bend in the tube I was able to get it to fit without issue. So that's ready to be welded up (and welding the pinhole I accidentally put in my oil pan removing the original baffle like an idiot) and then I can seal up the bottom end!

                                      Oil distribution block and oil temp/pressure senders are mounted for good and ready to be wired up. E21 booster is cleaned and painted, with the e30 clevis swapped over and set to match the spacing of the old booster. Just need to re-route the brake line and clutch feed and that will be ready to install. 

                                      I also finished cleaning the passenger side of the engine bay, subframe/steering rack, and got part of the way on the driver's side before running out of water. Hoping to get that finished before the end of the week. It won't be pretty between the cosmoline and primer, but its a lot better than all that plus a thick layer of dirt. 

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                                      1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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                                        Any groove on the crank from the old seal?  Mine was pretty gnarly so I inset the new seal, so-far all is well. 
                                        Glad you got the baffle to fit. Are you moving the clutch feed line per my experiences or is it just tribal knowledge that it needs to be rerouted?

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                                          m42b32M
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                                          snap said:

                                          Any groove on the crank from the old seal?  Mine was pretty gnarly so I inset the new seal, so-far all is well. 
                                          Glad you got the baffle to fit. Are you moving the clutch feed line per my experiences or is it just tribal knowledge that it needs to be rerouted?

                                          There really wasn't anything noticeable on mine to be honest, at least I didn't feel anything significant running my finger over it. I used the genuine bmw replacement kit that has the seal pre-pressed into a new housing, so wherever BMW puts it is where mine is. It wasn't leaking or anything before, so I'm hoping its good to go. 

                                          And the clutch feed relocation is 80% per your experience, and 20% holding the booster up to the firewall and confirming exactly what you found. Did you have any interference with the brake line mounting clip behind there too?

                                          1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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