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  • SteelBlueS
    SteelBlueS
    SteelBlue
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    #444

    >$500 for a fuel pump

    >Diesel life

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    • JdesignJ
      JdesignJ
      Jdesign
      wrote on last edited by
      #445

      ^^THIS^^

      Seriously dubyah teeaaa  EEEEFFFFF.  I guess if they are rare and hard to come by that makes sense for such a high value.

      At this point I would start to question other means of diesel injection if you cant find a pump. Thats something I know very little about. Isnt the pump timed with the motor?

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      • suspencefulS
        suspencefulS
        suspenceful
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        #446

        If it makes you guys feel any better, a high pressure fuel pump for the N54 isn't cheap either. And they do go bad.

        https://www.ecstuning.com/b-assembled-by-ecs-parts/high-pressure-fuel-pump-replacement-kit/13517616446rkt/

        N54 injectors commonly go bad, and they aren't cheap either!

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        • GunMetalGreyG
          GunMetalGreyG
          GunMetalGrey
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          #447

          Something that has eased my mind is the simplicity of the system, and the equivalent to what is being replacing. 
          Say I end up spending $1300 on the injectors and pump.

          That is like replacing the following things on a gas m20: Fuel pump (high and low pressure if applicable), fuel pressure regulator, fuel injectors, ignition coil, plug wires, spark plugs, cap and rotor, crank sensor (kinda), idle control valve, ECU, and all associated hoses. 

          The pump and injectors are the only things that run this engine, and given how low the production numbers are it's hard to be mad at the cost.
          I knew what I was getting myself into when I bought the engine, and unfortunately I have had to dive in further than desired, but that's how anything seems to go. 

          At the end of the day I'm excited about it, how many people do you know that have an M21 E30? 
          It's worth the cost for the cool factor.

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          • JdesignJ
            JdesignJ
            Jdesign
            wrote on last edited by
            #448

            GunMetalGrey said:

             how many people do you know that have an M21 E30? 

            I know of 1. And it currently doesnt run :)

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            • B
              B
              B C
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              #449

              I like your optimism

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              • GunMetalGreyG
                GunMetalGreyG
                GunMetalGrey
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                #450

                GunMetalGrey said:

                https://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-524TD-Or-Vixen-Motorhome-2-4td-VE-Bosch-Injection-fuel-pump-0460406025/222878757580?hash=item33e49bf2cc:g:cRkAAOSwipdapgU7&vxp=mtr

                This pump right here is the only one on the internet that I can find right now that would work. 
                I contacted him to see if he would be willing to flex on price or verify condition.

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                • GunMetalGreyG
                  GunMetalGreyG
                  GunMetalGrey
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #451

                  ^lol at me for thinking it would work. 
                  I looked at my pump and I have ver. 118-1. wtf does that even mean? Googling the bottom number on the pump yields just about nothing, and the top number just confirms that it is indeed a fuel pump. The hunt continues. 

                  IMG20180318104549

                  I picked up the pump from the shop (as seen above) and was given a slight tour of it by the guy. 
                  Cam plate - Pitted

                  IMG20180317105747

                  Cam Followers - Pitted

                  IMG20180317105847

                  Shafty thingy - Rusted

                  IMG20180317105812

                  Pump housing - rusted
                  Gear thingy - rusted and pitted 

                  IMG20180317105723

                  Pump housing - rusted

                  IMG20180317105638

                  I ran up to the shop because the injector nozzles finally got delivered, and they were just in time for me to bring them there!

                  IMG20180316153713

                  IMG20180316153616

                  Very shiny, much precise! 

                  I didn't really accomplish anything on the car this weekend, other than determining what I need to order for material to make motor mounts.

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                  • jc43089J
                    jc43089J
                    jc43089
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                    #452

                    Yikes, so what are the downsides of just cleaning the pump as best you can and giviner?  Is the pitting what was causing the external leak?  The shop says it's hopeless?

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                    • GunMetalGreyG
                      GunMetalGreyG
                      GunMetalGrey
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #453

                      jc43089 said:

                      Yikes, so what are the downsides of just cleaning the pump as best you can and giviner?  Is the pitting what was causing the external leak?  The shop says it's hopeless?

                      They told me they wouldn't rebuild it, largely due to the fact that he said it would just cause larger issues down the road with the rust flaking off and getting stuck places.
                      There is a large O-ring that seals the back half (ish) of the pump and I'm willing to bet that's what gave out. 

                      Not worth installing $600 worth of injectors and plugging one up two weeks later after rust keeps coming off.

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                      • YoungCRY
                        YoungCRY
                        YoungCR
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #454

                        Idk if you explained this already but why can't you just switch over to a different pump?

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                        BMWCCA #458972
                        1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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                        • GunMetalGreyG
                          GunMetalGreyG
                          GunMetalGrey
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #455

                          YoungCR said:

                          Idk if you explained this already but why can't you just switch over to a different pump? 

                          I have no clue if I can or not. 
                          It's not worth $600 to buy a pump that may not work and then be stuck with a pump no one buys. 

                          I've got a message out to see if I can use that rebuilt one on ebay that I posted. 
                          There is just about zero info out there about these fuel pumps lol.

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                          • llltsL
                            llltsL
                            lllts
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #456

                            GunMetalGrey said:

                            I have no clue if I can or not. 
                            It's not worth $600 to buy a pump that may not work and then be stuck with a pump no one buys. 

                            I've got a message out to see if I can use that rebuilt one on ebay that I posted. 
                            There is just about zero info out there about these fuel pumps lol.

                            I would be interested in this too given how rare these pumps are. I'm not sure if it's useful since they are european pump specs but here is some detailed info about the various pumps on m21 d and td models.

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                            • YoungCRY
                              YoungCRY
                              YoungCR
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #457

                              lllts said:

                              I would be interested in this too given how rare these pumps are. I'm not sure if it's useful since they are european pump specs but here is some detailed info about the various pumps on m21 d and td models.

                              Welcome and thanks for the awesome info! The only part of that chart I don't understand is why the early 324d has a VER 206 pump and the 524d has a VE pump, even though they both have the same 6047 identification number. Possibly an error? Anyways even though this doesn't have US specs to compare, Ben has a VER pump out of a euro 524d?

                              The main thing is the injectors and fuel pressure are the same for all of the mechanical pumps (E28 and early model e30's) so there shouldn't be any issues buying a used VE or VER pump as they are practically identical.

                              Chris Young
                              BMWCCA #458972
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                              • GunMetalGreyG
                                GunMetalGreyG
                                GunMetalGrey
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #458

                                Amusingly enough, those pump numbers don't line up with any that I have or have seen for sale. The number listed for the pump has a small unit on the side that I have yet to determine the function of, but it t's off the pressure relief valve on the low pressure side of the pump. 

                                I went to the diesel shop last night to pick up my injectors! 

                                IMG20180321221254

                                They are quite beautiful!

                                They ended up costing a bit more than expected due to needing to clean all the rust out of them. 
                                $850 dollars and I finally have some injectors to install!

                                I called yesterday to compare pumps from what was on the motor to the one on ebay and the guy called back with info but I wasn't at my phone. I figured I was going to the shop anyway later so I would just talk to him then, but he had left for the day. So I will be finding out today if I found a fuel pump that will work. Fingers crossed!

                                That's about all for now folks!

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                                • GunMetalGreyG
                                  GunMetalGreyG
                                  GunMetalGrey
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #459

                                  Boy oh boy does this feel good to say! 

                                  I ordered a fuel pump! 

                                  I called the local shop to ask about the part number difference and was told it is just an updated number, they are updated parts, and the testing specs are the same. 
                                  The new pump delivers 1cc fuel less than the old one in stock config, but when you're looking at 40cc injection there is a tiny percentage difference there. 

                                  The new pump is already rebuilt and ready to go!

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                                  • suspencefulS
                                    suspencefulS
                                    suspenceful
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                                    #460

                                    How are you going to install the crush washers to the injectors?! :P

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                                    • GunMetalGreyG
                                      GunMetalGreyG
                                      GunMetalGrey
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                                      #461

                                      suspenceful said:

                                      How are you going to install the crush washers to the injectors?! :P

                                      I managed to push one onto the injector last night in the kitchen, so now I just need to find something slightly larger than the injector to  push it the rest of the way down. 
                                      Should be alright.

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                                      • D
                                        D
                                        Daggerty
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                                        #462

                                        If you don't mind me asking how much was the pump? 

                                        You could use a socket to get the crush washers on or electrical conduit looks like it might match up.

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                                        • GunMetalGreyG
                                          GunMetalGreyG
                                          GunMetalGrey
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                                          #463

                                          New pump was $500, I offered less than he was asking and he accepted it. That'll show up on Wednesday. 

                                          Got the washers on all the injectors, used the workbench to get them started, then used a 12pt. 17mm socket to drive them the rest of the way down.
                                          Old one vs. the new ones

                                          IMG20180322193403

                                          I need to make some motor mounts before I want to torque things on the motor as it is still dangling from the support bar. 
                                          I ordered material yesterday from Speedy Metals and am hoping I can pick that up today.

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