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  • B
    B
    B C
    wrote on last edited by
    #433

    You are correct. I had negative in my head because it is a negative situation for autobahn stability.

    You get 10 internets.

    Only Ben can attest of its actual driving characteristics but in my brain gives me scary thoughts.

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    • GunMetalGreyG
      GunMetalGreyG
      GunMetalGrey
      wrote on last edited by
      #434

      snap said:

      Only Ben can attest of its actual driving characteristics but in my brain gives me scary thoughts.

      After the e46 control arms I have a pretty impressive amount of negative camber up front, and after the modification to the rear there is a pretty little amount of camber (nearing negative numbers...)

      It's a hands on driving experience for sure, and anything over 55 feels..... concerning. 
      I never have gotten the car aligned properly yet though, so that may help the steering feel at minimum.

      ...

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      • JdesignJ
        JdesignJ
        Jdesign
        wrote on last edited by
        #435

        snap said:

        You get 10 internets.

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        • HipMFH
          HipMFH
          HipMF
          wrote on last edited by
          #436

          snap said:

          oh me oh my, the negative camber and subsequent reduced toe in the rear scares me O__O

          Toe actually increases under droop (i know because I've measured it) so you really messed up here.

          -10 internets, and please don't ban me.

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          • SteelBlueS
            SteelBlueS
            SteelBlue
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            #437

            Jdesign said:

            Ben Pls

            Glad to see this has caught on

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            • JdesignJ
              JdesignJ
              Jdesign
              wrote on last edited by
              #438

              HipMF said:

              Toe actually increases under droop (i know because I've measured it) so you really messed up here.

              -10 internets, and please don't ban me.

              But I think @snap is referring to when its actually planted on the ground.

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              • HipMFH
                HipMFH
                HipMF
                wrote on last edited by
                #439

                Jdesign said:

                But I think @snap is referring to when its actually planted on the ground.

                Not sure what you mean, but here's the data from the e21 (if photodumpster works...):

                curveszpsx3ndrqvf.png

                Assuming that the e30 is similar, and that the lowest toe number is roughly ride-height, toe will increase as the vehicle is lifted.

                These aren't the results I was expecting before I measured it. I had assumed the toe went negative under droop...

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                • JdesignJ
                  JdesignJ
                  Jdesign
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #440

                  Ahhhhh I follow you now. That chart helps!

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                  • B
                    B
                    B C
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #441

                    How the beep does camber change linearly, but toe is parabolic?!?!

                    Very interesting data though! Thanks for sharing

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                    • GunMetalGreyG
                      GunMetalGreyG
                      GunMetalGrey
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #442

                      Mike coming in with the high quality data! 
                      I forgot that you had measured that stuff (E21) but it should be very similar to an E30 setup. 

                      In other news, I still have no idea if/when this thing will ever run with an M21 again! Woo!

                      ...

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                      • GunMetalGreyG
                        GunMetalGreyG
                        GunMetalGrey
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #443

                        What the heck. I decided to amuse myself at the fact that there are no M21 fuel pumps on ebay but searched anyway...

                        https://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-524TD-Or-Vixen-Motorhome-2-4td-VE-Bosch-Injection-fuel-pump-0460406025/222878757580?hash=item33e49bf2cc:g:cRkAAOSwipdapgU7&vxp=mtr

                        https://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-E28-E30-E34-Diesel-Injection-Pump-M21-D24-2-4-0460406047-VER-206-BOSCH-OEM/142718684324?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D49918%26meid%3D07b2a1c838434ae89f63caaa1d2c9045%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D222878757580%26itm%3D142718684324&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

                        https://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-E28-E30-E34-M21-D24-2-4-DIESEL-INJECTION-FUEL-PUMP-0460406047-VER-206-OEM/263481727414?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D49918%26meid%3D497f8089e4f84dd9a9310ffcc3c8aadd%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D142718684324%26itm%3D263481727414&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

                        I'm going to call the shop that has my pump tomorrow and ask them for the numbers on the side to see if one of these will work.

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                        • SteelBlueS
                          SteelBlueS
                          SteelBlue
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #444

                          >$500 for a fuel pump

                          >Diesel life

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                          • JdesignJ
                            JdesignJ
                            Jdesign
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #445

                            ^^THIS^^

                            Seriously dubyah teeaaa  EEEEFFFFF.  I guess if they are rare and hard to come by that makes sense for such a high value.

                            At this point I would start to question other means of diesel injection if you cant find a pump. Thats something I know very little about. Isnt the pump timed with the motor?

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                            • suspencefulS
                              suspencefulS
                              suspenceful
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #446

                              If it makes you guys feel any better, a high pressure fuel pump for the N54 isn't cheap either. And they do go bad.

                              https://www.ecstuning.com/b-assembled-by-ecs-parts/high-pressure-fuel-pump-replacement-kit/13517616446rkt/

                              N54 injectors commonly go bad, and they aren't cheap either!

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                              • GunMetalGreyG
                                GunMetalGreyG
                                GunMetalGrey
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #447

                                Something that has eased my mind is the simplicity of the system, and the equivalent to what is being replacing. 
                                Say I end up spending $1300 on the injectors and pump.

                                That is like replacing the following things on a gas m20: Fuel pump (high and low pressure if applicable), fuel pressure regulator, fuel injectors, ignition coil, plug wires, spark plugs, cap and rotor, crank sensor (kinda), idle control valve, ECU, and all associated hoses. 

                                The pump and injectors are the only things that run this engine, and given how low the production numbers are it's hard to be mad at the cost.
                                I knew what I was getting myself into when I bought the engine, and unfortunately I have had to dive in further than desired, but that's how anything seems to go. 

                                At the end of the day I'm excited about it, how many people do you know that have an M21 E30? 
                                It's worth the cost for the cool factor.

                                ...

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                                • JdesignJ
                                  JdesignJ
                                  Jdesign
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                                  #448

                                  GunMetalGrey said:

                                   how many people do you know that have an M21 E30? 

                                  I know of 1. And it currently doesnt run :)

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                                  • B
                                    B
                                    B C
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #449

                                    I like your optimism

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                                    • GunMetalGreyG
                                      GunMetalGreyG
                                      GunMetalGrey
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                                      #450

                                      GunMetalGrey said:

                                      https://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-524TD-Or-Vixen-Motorhome-2-4td-VE-Bosch-Injection-fuel-pump-0460406025/222878757580?hash=item33e49bf2cc:g:cRkAAOSwipdapgU7&vxp=mtr

                                      This pump right here is the only one on the internet that I can find right now that would work. 
                                      I contacted him to see if he would be willing to flex on price or verify condition.

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                                      • GunMetalGreyG
                                        GunMetalGreyG
                                        GunMetalGrey
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #451

                                        ^lol at me for thinking it would work. 
                                        I looked at my pump and I have ver. 118-1. wtf does that even mean? Googling the bottom number on the pump yields just about nothing, and the top number just confirms that it is indeed a fuel pump. The hunt continues. 

                                        IMG20180318104549

                                        I picked up the pump from the shop (as seen above) and was given a slight tour of it by the guy. 
                                        Cam plate - Pitted

                                        IMG20180317105747

                                        Cam Followers - Pitted

                                        IMG20180317105847

                                        Shafty thingy - Rusted

                                        IMG20180317105812

                                        Pump housing - rusted
                                        Gear thingy - rusted and pitted 

                                        IMG20180317105723

                                        Pump housing - rusted

                                        IMG20180317105638

                                        I ran up to the shop because the injector nozzles finally got delivered, and they were just in time for me to bring them there!

                                        IMG20180316153713

                                        IMG20180316153616

                                        Very shiny, much precise! 

                                        I didn't really accomplish anything on the car this weekend, other than determining what I need to order for material to make motor mounts.

                                        ...

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                                        • jc43089J
                                          jc43089J
                                          jc43089
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                                          #452

                                          Yikes, so what are the downsides of just cleaning the pump as best you can and giviner?  Is the pitting what was causing the external leak?  The shop says it's hopeless?

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