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the one and only e30 s52 engine swap

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  • m42b32M
    m42b32M
    m42b32
    wrote on last edited by
    #68

    Glad you were able to get it out of the basement!

    I have an extra glove box in good shape if you're interested.

    1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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    • AsparagusMikeA
      AsparagusMikeA
      AsparagusMike
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      #69

      m42b32 said:

      Glad you were able to get it out of the basement!

      I have an extra glove box in good shape if you're interested. 

      I'll keep that in mind. Thx!

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        B
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        #70

        Mike, bad news.  I have mentally associated your username with your profile photo to the point where I think you are a 13 year old kid. So every update leaves me imagining a middle schooler wrenching on an S52.

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        • AsparagusMikeA
          AsparagusMikeA
          AsparagusMike
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          #71

          Snap said:

          Mike, bad news.  I have mentally associated your username with your profile photo to the point where I think you are a 13 year old kid. So every update leaves me imagining a middle schooler wrenching on an S52.  

          Hopefully a different pic will help cure you from these absurd images.

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          • AsparagusMikeA
            AsparagusMikeA
            AsparagusMike
            wrote on last edited by
            #72

            4 bangers...be gone!

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            Rack is out as well. Struggled for a while trying to get the shaft + u joint disconnected but she wouldn't budge. I'll Mess around with it some more tomorrow. May also have a lead on a 98 m3 steering rack for a decent price, not gonna get my hopes up though.

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            Few more parts showed up today for the motor. N54 exhaust studs and nuts, exhaust manifold gaskets, NGK iridium spark plugs, oem belt, valve cover grommets, intake gaskets, vanos gasket, and a few other little things.

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            Hoping to get the front and rear sub frames off and the rest of the suspension out tomorrow and Friday as well as the rest of the ac lines and condenser removed. More updates to come!

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            • B
              B
              B C
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              #73

              Having dicked around with the steering system a bit too much, here are some of my lessons learned for dealing with the steering joint. 

              Drill out rivets and replace steering flex disk with new unit using the replacement BMW "Fit bolts" (higher precision shoulder bolts, wave washers, and oval lock nuts)., urethane versions are also available from Revshift and others. This will allow you to separate the steering joint for ease of install/removal.

              installing the steering joint pieces first, then bolting up the flex disk seems to be the easiest way to go about it.

              Wedge a screwdriver into the slot to help split the collar to help with install/removal.

              Make sure you take note of the way the steering joint is on the rack right now as the splines are different between the rack and the steering shaft. This is more obvious when the engine is out but far less obvious and prone to wrecking the steering joint splines when in a dark garage under the car with the engine in place/

              Apply a little bit of grease to the splines

              If you install an E36 rack you will need to grind the steering shaft opening in the firewall a bit larger

              The 32mm collar nut that retains the steering shaft halves together under the dashboard needs to be VERY snug to avoid having a light clunk/thud in the steering. You may want to use blue loctite on the threads because it can loosen up a tad over time.

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              • m42b32M
                m42b32M
                m42b32
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                #74

                Snap said:

                Drill out rivets and replace steering flex disk with new unit using the replacement BMW "Fit bolts" (higher precision shoulder bolts, wave washers, and oval lock nuts)., urethane versions are also available from Revshift and others. This will allow you to separate the steering joint for ease of install/removal.

                This is brilliant. Why have I not thought of this before. I'm doing that this winter.

                1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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                • m42b32M
                  m42b32M
                  m42b32
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #75

                  AsparagusMike said:

                  May also have a lead on a 98 m3 steering rack for a decent price, not gonna get my hopes up though.

                  The 96+ M3 rack will be an upgrade over the stock unit, but it's not much different than the standard e36 rack so a price premium isn't worth it. The actual ratio is the same, but its travel is limited due to the M3's geometry (Hence 3.2 vs 3.4 turns lock to lock, same ratio just less travel). 

                  https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=172261

                  I have a non-m Z3 rack in my car, and it is hands down my favorite thing I've done to it so far. The liner rate is amazing, it's really not touchy on the freeway like some people say. You can find a low mileage Z3 rack for under $200 pretty easily. You can tell it's the short ratio/linear rack because of the plated steel body as opposed to being entirely cast aluminum, though you should probably verify the part numbers on realoem in case they were swapped at some point:

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                  These don't have a ton of information but you could get the part number or pictures from the sellers to confirm, both cars would've come with the 2.8 turn linear rack:

                  https://www.ebay.com/itm/96-02-BMW-Z3-Power-Steering-Gear-Rack-Pinion-97k-Miles-OEM-LKQ/362164303645?fits=Model%3AZ3&hash=item5452acb71d:g:VdMAAOSwk1haEyos&vxp=mtr

                  https://www.ebay.com/itm/Steering-Gear-Rack-Power-Rack-And-Pinion-Fits-96-02-BMW-Z3-845017/332482982284?fits=Model%3AZ3&hash=item4d6987b18c:g:ugEAAOSwb3laLew1&vxp=mtr

                  1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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                  • KaiserRollsK
                    KaiserRollsK
                    KaiserRolls
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                    #76

                    Damn you joe

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                    • m42b32M
                      m42b32M
                      m42b32
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #77

                      KaiserRolls said:

                      Damn you joe

                      ❤

                      1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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                      • AsparagusMikeA
                        AsparagusMikeA
                        AsparagusMike
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                        #78

                        m42b32 said:

                        The 96+ M3 rack will be an upgrade over the stock unit, but it's not much different than the standard e36 rack so a price premium isn't worth it. The actual ratio is the same, but its travel is limited due to the M3's geometry (Hence 3.2 vs 3.4 turns lock to lock, same ratio just less travel). 

                        Well, the guy only wants 50 bucks for the 98 m3 rack so I thought that was a pretty good deal for a e36 rack. I knew the e36 non-m and m racks were pretty much the same ratio, its just what the guy had sitting in his garage. If this deal ends up falling through then I'll look into the z3 rack. To be honest, I actually thought z3 racks went for 250-300 bucks, so under 200 bucks for a z3 rack is big news to me. Or maybe its just all that r3vlimited brain washing me into thinking that every part is worth double its value.

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                        • GunMetalGreyG
                          GunMetalGreyG
                          GunMetalGrey
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                          #79

                          Upgrading racks, 10/10 worth it. 
                          Makes the car a joy to drive.

                          ...

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                          • m42b32M
                            m42b32M
                            m42b32
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #80

                            AsparagusMike said:

                            Well, the guy only wants 50 bucks for the 98 m3 rack so I thought that was a pretty good deal for a e36 rack. I knew the e36 non-m and m racks were pretty much the same ratio, its just what the guy had sitting in his garage. If this deal ends up falling through then I'll look into the z3 rack. To be honest, I actually thought z3 racks went for 250-300 bucks, so under 200 bucks for a z3 rack is big news to me. Or maybe its just all that r3vlimited brain washing me into thinking that every part is worth double its value.

                            They typically go for 250-300 when people know what they are, aka r3vlimited/bimmerforums/etc. Junkyards and people parting out cars who don't know anything about BMW's will list them on ebay without doing much research and just slap a generic price on them, you just have to watch ebay and you can get a good deal. Make sure you get pictures of the rack/part numbers before you buy obviously, they can be swapped with normal e36 racks if the previous owner was being cheap. 

                            $50 seems like a decent deal for a good condition e36 rack, and once the work is done with the swap it would be easy to upgrade down the road too since they are a direct swap.

                            1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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                            • HipMFH
                              HipMFH
                              HipMF
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                              HipMF said:

                              BTW, if you want to get rid of that dusty old M42, I know a guy...

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                                B C
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                                I have read that the M rack is progressive rate (slower on center for better high speed stability) but that could be hogwash

                                My Z3 rack feels “normal” just how my warmed over M52 will probably feel “normal”

                                Like what the car should have come with in the first place

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                                • m42b32M
                                  m42b32M
                                  m42b32
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                                  #83

                                  Snap said:

                                  I have read that the M rack is progressive rate (slower on center for better high speed stability) but that could be hogwash

                                  You're right! My understanding is that the only linear rate racks are the non-m Z3 and the e46 ZHP

                                  1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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                                  • AsparagusMikeA
                                    AsparagusMikeA
                                    AsparagusMike
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                                    GunMetalGrey said:

                                    Upgrading racks, 10/10 worth it. 
                                    Makes the car a joy to drive. 

                                    Hey! When you gonna help with my vanos?

                                    HipMF said:

                                    BTW, if you want to get rid of that dusty old M42, I know a guy... 

                                    Let me know, I have no plans of keeping it.

                                    Snap said:

                                    I have read that the M rack is progressive rate (slower on center for better high speed stability) but that could be hogwash

                                    Yes all e36 racks, m and non-m are progressive rate except the 95 M3 rack which is even slower in the center of the rack and has less overall travel than the regular E36 rack, aka...shit.

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                                    • GunMetalGreyG
                                      GunMetalGreyG
                                      GunMetalGrey
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                                      AsparagusMike said:

                                      Hey! When you gonna help with my vanos?

                                      Whenever, haven't figured out where the soft jaws and socket ended up...

                                      ...

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                                      • B
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                                        B C
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                                        I have a socket i can send if you cant find yours

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                                        • AsparagusMikeA
                                          AsparagusMikeA
                                          AsparagusMike
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                                          Got very little done Thursday because, life. Friday though......very productive indeed.

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                                          I think I spent half of Friday just getting the rear end out. Words can not describe how relieved I was when this thing finally broke free from the car.

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                                          Still working on disassembly of the trailing arms.

                                          I should add that when the rear sub frame did finally come free with some gentle shaking, the subframe bushings ended up staying connected to the car instead of coming out. Simple enough...removed the rear seat, pulled out the long studs and knocked the bushings right off. Right side popped out just fine, as for the left. 😠

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                                          snapped off flush with the hole. Still figuring out how I will go about removing this.

                                          Transitioning over to the gas tank...

                                          Out of the 6 bolts, 5 came out fairly well. As for the sixth one...fml

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                                          The nut completely rounded so I can no longer fit a socket on it. As of right now I am still stumped on removing the gas tank until I get this last nut out. Also contemplating on possibly ordering a new aftermarket tank as this one is in rough shape with multiple dents as usual.

                                          I kind of make a mess when I'm ripping and tarring...

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                                          In between this fuss I was able to remove a few more things from the engine bay including the pretty much the rest of the A/C lines and condenser as well as some interior stuff.

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                                          Carpet is in rough shape. Recommendations for carpet restoration is always welcome.

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                                          Got a call from my machinist. Flywheel and cylinder head are done! went and picked them up that night. Very pleased with how both turned out overall.

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                                          Cylinder head received a valve job, decked, and magnafluxed. Sense I will be running a m20 single mass flywheel, I had him remove a 1/8 of an inch on the back side to clear the e34 oil pan.

                                          Head gasket also arrived as well as a few things from bimmerworld...

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                                          Saturday I took a break from the car and its problems and started tinkering on the motor some more.

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                                          Still gotta get the cams torqued down so gonna work on that tonight. Hopefully I won't snap any of the threads out of the bearing cap stud holes when torquing them down, but we will see.

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