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1978 e21 m20 turbo swap, AKA What did I get myself into

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  • RamRod E28R
    RamRod E28R
    RamRod E28
    wrote on last edited by
    #112

    No need to look one will find you... Trust me, I know from experience

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8-rGAM_KeA

    1984 BMW 528e - SETA and manual swapped! M50 to come!!!

    1988 BMW 528e - Need parts?

    1991 Chevy C1500 (mighty 350 with TBI and Wisconsin weight reduction package)

    1996 Mazda Miata (SOLD!!!)

    1996 BMW 325i (Donor car)

    1998 Chevrolet Corvette (BEAST)

    2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee (BROKEN)

    3bc80c27-0937-43e3-9e7f-00404a337ec1zps

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    • jc43089J
      jc43089J
      jc43089
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      #113

      bfinley said:

      Ok after a ride in Mikes e28 I'm chomping at the bit to get the motor and trans together and back in the car... (after fixing the floor and all that nonsense.)

      So I need a clutch and flywheel since the ETA motor I bought off mike was an autotragic.

      Pelican and BAVauto want roughly 5-700 dollars for a clutchkit and flywheel so I've turned to ebay.

      Before I pull the trigger I'd like some reassurance that I'm buying the right parts since I'm frankensteining parts from different years together.

      Motor is out of a '84 528e which is what I've speced the clutch and flywheel for.

      Trans is a midyear 85/86 GT260

      Pretty sure it should all match up....

      Here are the links I'm looking at

      http://www.ebay.com/itm/SACHS-FX-CLUTCH-KIT-84-93-BMW-325-e-es-i-is-ix-525i-528e-2-5L-2-7L-E28-E30-E34-/400687829057?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Year%3A1984|Make%3ABMW|Model%3A528e&hash=item5d4adb1041&vxp=mtr

      http://www.ebay.com/itm/EXEDY-CLUTCH-PRO-KIT-BMW-325i-325is-325ix-525i-2-5L-E30-E34-M20-528e-2-7L-E28-/161027461479?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Year%3A1984|Make%3ABMW|Model%3A528e&hash=item257dfc1167&vxp=mtr

      May have just found a clutch and flywheel on car-parts.com fingers crossed

      I want my car back!

      You may want to just buy a lightweight flywheel/ clutch setup, I spent 290 on an OE Sachs clutch for my e30.  Those are "i" clutches to go with a single mass flywheel, you can tell because of the sprung hub center, clutches for a dual mass flywheel have solid centers.  Connor is coming over tomorrow and we are putting in an F1 flywheel with Sachs clutch in his e36.  I think it was around 500 for clutch and flywheel.

      2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
      3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
      '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

      '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

      '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
      '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
      '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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      • YoungCRY
        YoungCRY
        YoungCR
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        #114

        Buy an LUK kit from rockauto. LUK is a BMW OEM supplier and often uses sachs parts in their kits too but for a lower price. You'd have to research the difference between those too part numbers as I'm not sure. I'd reccomend with what John is saying, you'll want a beefier clutch for the turbo application. Any M20/M5X clutch will fit, its just a matter of your price range.

        LUK Part # 03010 Idle-stage Damper (Only 1 Remaining) $138.79

        LUK Part # 03013 Idle-stage Damper (Only 1 Remaining) $154.79

        SACHS Part # KF29603 {#KF29601} Body code E28; Outer Diam: 9; Inner Diam: 1 1/8; TEETH:10T (Only 1 Remaining) $192.79

        Chris Young
        BMWCCA #458972
        1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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        • YoungCRY
          YoungCRY
          YoungCR
          wrote on last edited by
          #115

          Buy an LUK kit from rockauto. LUK is a BMW OEM supplier and often uses sachs parts in their kits too but for a lower price. You'd have to research the difference between those too part numbers as I'm not sure. I'd reccomend with what John is saying, you'll want a beefier clutch for the turbo application. Any M20/M5X clutch will fit, its just a matter of your price range.

          LUK Part # 03010 Idle-stage Damper (Only 1 Remaining) $138.79

          LUK Part # 03013 Idle-stage Damper (Only 1 Remaining) $154.79

          SACHS Part # KF29603 {#KF29601} Body code E28; Outer Diam: 9; Inner Diam: 1 1/8; TEETH:10T (Only 1 Remaining) $192.79

          Chris Young
          BMWCCA #458972
          1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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            B
            B C
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            #116

            Are the non-sprung centers just solid steel or is there a rubber damper inside, I have never worked with a dual mass clutch.

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              bfinley
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              #117

              Goodness the salvage yard I contacted about clutch and flywheel wanted 340 dollars to ship 160 dollars worth of parts ... Ummm no

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              • Bassboy3313B
                Bassboy3313B
                Bassboy3313
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                #118

                my experience with yards is that they do not like to ship things, so they put a high price on parts when shipping. Stupid, I know!

                CHECK OUT >>> RAGE DRIFT DESIGNS <<< FOR DECALS AND MORE!

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                  bfinley
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                  #119

                  ajavy9a2.jpgvuquzy7u.jpga2y9u5y8.jpgdema4ama.jpgyvunype2.jpgveby3y7u.jpgu4u7u5uv.jpg

                  Did some work over the weekend, burned up my grinder stripping the inch of bondo on the ass end of the e21, then relaxed with some beer, scotch, and delicious food at Mikes sisters grad party !

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                  • Ryan...R
                    Ryan...R
                    Ryan...
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                    #120

                    Nice project!

                    I wouldn't have the stomach for this kind of work...

                    2021 Gladiator Willys -- 6 speed manual, 33" Falken AT, 3/4" level

                    2021 Low Rider S -- Stage 2, 117hp/128ft lbs

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                    • RamRod E28R
                      RamRod E28R
                      RamRod E28
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                      bfinley said:

                      ajavy9a2.jpgvuquzy7u.jpga2y9u5y8.jpgdema4ama.jpgyvunype2.jpgveby3y7u.jpgu4u7u5uv.jpg Did some work over the weekend, burned up my grinder stripping the inch of bondo on the ass end of the e21, then relaxed with some beer, scotch, and delicious food at Mikes sisters grad party !

                      I see a sexy e28 in this picture...

                      1984 BMW 528e - SETA and manual swapped! M50 to come!!!

                      1988 BMW 528e - Need parts?

                      1991 Chevy C1500 (mighty 350 with TBI and Wisconsin weight reduction package)

                      1996 Mazda Miata (SOLD!!!)

                      1996 BMW 325i (Donor car)

                      1998 Chevrolet Corvette (BEAST)

                      2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee (BROKEN)

                      3bc80c27-0937-43e3-9e7f-00404a337ec1zps

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                      • jc43089J
                        jc43089J
                        jc43089
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                        #122

                        Snap said:

                        Are the non-sprung centers just solid steel or is there a rubber damper inside, I have never worked with a dual mass clutch. 

                        The solid center clutches go with dual mass flywheels, the sprung hub clutch goes with a solid flywheel.  They serve the same purpose, the most noticeable of which is absorb vibration between power pulses at idle to prevent gear rattle in the transmission.  There are some kits that sell a solid clutch and solid flywheel.  I would steer clear as this is pretty sketch.

                        2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                        3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                        '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                        '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                        '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                        '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                        '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                        • RamRod E28R
                          RamRod E28R
                          RamRod E28
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #123

                          That patch behind ur gas door looks like a filler for an old fuel cell

                          1984 BMW 528e - SETA and manual swapped! M50 to come!!!

                          1988 BMW 528e - Need parts?

                          1991 Chevy C1500 (mighty 350 with TBI and Wisconsin weight reduction package)

                          1996 Mazda Miata (SOLD!!!)

                          1996 BMW 325i (Donor car)

                          1998 Chevrolet Corvette (BEAST)

                          2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee (BROKEN)

                          3bc80c27-0937-43e3-9e7f-00404a337ec1zps

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                            B
                            bfinley
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                            #124

                            It's on both sides, they had side marker lights at one point

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                              B
                              bfinley
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #125

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                              Body is mostly stripped... Gotta get degreaser, button up the inner fenders, order the cage, paint

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                                bfinley
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                                #126

                                So I went to the dealer to get all the linkage parts... 500 dollars after tax... And the parts guy was less than helpful so I've got a list of parts to look at and then call in an order guy was less than

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                                • jc43089J
                                  jc43089J
                                  jc43089
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                                  #127

                                  What linkage parts?  Kruse Warthan is usually dissapointing, on service and price.

                                  2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                                  3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                                  '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                                  '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                                  '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                                  '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                                  '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                                    B
                                    bfinley
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                                    #128

                                    jc43089 said:

                                    What linkage parts?  Kruse Warthan is usually dissapointing, on service and price.

                                    I'm at my parents so I went to motorwerks BMW in Bloomington mn.

                                    I'm going to go back on Monday when a friend of a friend is working. He is supposed to be good.

                                    Basically the whole carrier and linkage that you have in yours John

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                                    • jc43089J
                                      jc43089J
                                      jc43089
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                                      #129

                                      Oh, I have been thinking about a better deal, there are floor mount shifters available like this. 

                                      QS236lg.jpg

                                      We could make a custom one, it is just a plate over the shifter hole with a socket for the pivot ball.  And then all that is needed is to fabricate a custom length selector rod once you know the dimension from the shifter to the transmission.  Do you know for sure that the e30 parts will even work correctly in an e21?  I bought a used aluminum carrier from somebody on BFC for $35 shipped so I would not but that stuff new.

                                      2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                                      3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                                      '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                                      '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                                      '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                                      '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                                      '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                                        bfinley
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                                        #130

                                        7y6ybe5a.jpg

                                        This is what I'm getting info wise off my thread in the bimmerforums

                                        Looks exactly like what you have in yours john

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                                        • RamRod E28R
                                          RamRod E28R
                                          RamRod E28
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #131

                                          Looks exactly like the linkage for my e28 as well

                                          1984 BMW 528e - SETA and manual swapped! M50 to come!!!

                                          1988 BMW 528e - Need parts?

                                          1991 Chevy C1500 (mighty 350 with TBI and Wisconsin weight reduction package)

                                          1996 Mazda Miata (SOLD!!!)

                                          1996 BMW 325i (Donor car)

                                          1998 Chevrolet Corvette (BEAST)

                                          2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee (BROKEN)

                                          3bc80c27-0937-43e3-9e7f-00404a337ec1zps

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