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  • HipMFH
    HipMFH
    HipMF
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    KaiserRolls said:

    terminator x

    You realize I don't know how to stop myself...?

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      SteelBlue said:

      This might be on the few cars that would actually benefit from running one those Rocket Bunny Kits to fit enough tire under it.

      I've considered just getting some fender flares but, I really want this car to look like a mostly factory e30 with some minor mods. So the only future option will be to go in...😈

      KaiserRolls said:

      while more tire is sweet, the thousands of dollars he’d spend on fiberglass/finishing/paint/new wheels/new tires, an aftermarket traction control setup that works with the terminator x would be cheaper.
       

      For now and the foreseeable future, the TCS is my foot. I can't wait to see how these new tires (and the axles) hold up. 

      Minor updates to come soon as the flex sensor mount will be arriving in the mail today.

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        Managed to get the flex sensor mounted under the car. I need to get two 6AN ptfe fittings to finish up the job (had the extra adapter fittings pictured laying around). I also decided to test my local premium 91 gasoline for ethanol content and contrary to what I've read on the internet, there is no ethanol (as advertised). The internet was saying even the premium-no ethanol still had some in it. 

        Knowing the ethanol content is important because my current ve table is based on this fuel. The flex sensor should read this fuel as 0% and my will not add any fuel to compensate based on the flex multiplier table. Once the sensor begins reading ethanol %,  the ECU will multiply my base ve table to administer the proper ratio. Hooray for being able to use any fuel available. 

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        The struggle of dealing with someone else wiring harness.....

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          You are doing great!

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            B C said:

            You are doing great!

            Thanks bud!

            I forgot to mention, the flex sensor is placed on the fuel return line which is 6AN. The other line (feed) is 8AN. 

            I have a question for the community. I have been really thinking about going to a fuel cell. What do you recommend and what should I look for? 

            This is what the flex table looks like in holley, note that I stole this image from google images and the table is not set up properly. There is another table just like this that will subtract or add ignition time per the ethanol %. The possibilities are endless... As a former mega squirt/tunerstudio user, Holley is just way more user friendly. 

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            • KaiserRollsK
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              Personally I would not get a fuel cell. The location of the stock tank is in a great spot. If you’re worried about starvation, just get a surge tank setup.

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                KaiserRolls said:

                Personally I would not get a fuel cell. The location of the stock tank is in a great spot. If you’re worried about starvation, just get a surge tank setup. 

                I had planned on adding a surge tank once I run out of fuel pump.  Since I've had to modify the return line because it doesn't flow enough and the factory tank having old rubber (not ethanol friendly). I think its a better and safer option to transition to a cell. I do agree @KaiserRolls, the factory tank is well positioned in a safe place and low center of gravity. Perhaps it may be worthwhile to pull the tank and modify it to fit dual pumps. There is still that venturi/return line that is responsible for transferring fuel from one side to the other. How do you get around that venturi?

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                • HipMFH
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                  HipMF
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                  Nick_08 said:

                  There is still that venturi/return line that is responsible for transferring fuel from one side to the other.

                  Not really sure what's being referenced here, but I would agree that keeping the stock tanks makes sense regardless of any changes that are needed in the delivery system. I put a cell in because the factory tanks physically didn't fit anymore.

                  I modified/welded a tank on a motorcycle once... and then JB welded it when it weaped fuel through the welds, and then re-welded and re-painted, and it still leaked... Didn't want to go down that road again, but the fuel cell isn't ideal either. Mine's not connected to the fuel filler outside the car and there is air circulating around in the trunk, which settles in the crevices around the cap, so I'm pretty sure I'm dropping dust/grit into the fuel cell every time I open it...

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                  • damnboy037D
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                    This car is wicked

                    99 M3 320rwhp @ 6psi

                    95 M3 s50b32

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                      HipMF said:

                      Not really sure what's being referenced here, but I would agree that keeping the stock tanks makes sense regardless of any changes that are needed in the delivery system. I put a cell in because the factory tanks physically didn't fit anymore.

                      I modified/welded a tank on a motorcycle once... and then JB welded it when it weaped fuel through the welds, and then re-welded and re-painted, and it still leaked... Didn't want to go down that road again, but the fuel cell isn't ideal either. Mine's not connected to the fuel filler outside the car and there is air circulating around in the trunk, which settles in the crevices around the cap, so I'm pretty sure I'm dropping dust/grit into the fuel cell every time I open it...

                      KaiserRolls said:

                      Personally I would not get a fuel cell. The location of the stock tank is in a great spot. If you’re worried about starvation, just get a surge tank setup. 

                      I've got something in the works for the stock fuel tank 😈.

                      @HipMF the late model e30 fuel tank uses a venturi type of jet pump to get fuel transferred over the saddle to the passenger side of the tank where the fuel pump is. The issue I had  is that the venturi is too small thus restricting my fuel return and backing everything up (i.e my fuel pressure was not adjustable it was pegged at 70 psi due to this restriction). My fuel pump is massive like 525lph. 

                      @KaiserRolls this venturi pump is the reason a surge tank setup wouldn't work with the factory fuel system (unless you didn't plumb the return to the surge tank). You have to be able to transfer fuel over the saddle. Unless you have an early model tank.

                      I found an aftermarket high flow venturi pump and I will be retrofitting a whole new hangar system to the stock fuel tank...hold my beer. Updates to come. In the meanwhile, check out my haggard (but it worked) fix to relieve the return fuel pressure.

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                        Alrighty so this is working out quite well so far. The tank has a reinforcement plate spot welded in 6 spots surrounding the hangar mount. These 6 spot welds just happen to line up perfectly with the aftermarket hangar that I have :). 

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                        Here's that reinforcement plate that was inside the tank. Had to be removed so that the split ring mount could be used in its place. It was easy enough. 

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                        Last, here is a preliminary look at the new hangar, these straight fittings won't be used. The fittings are 1/4" NPT and I have 6an adapters installed. I also already have the electrical bulkhead fitting installed as well. Just waiting on the venturi pump which should be in today and then I have one final order to submit from McMaster to get the rest of the hardware. 

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                          Finished up the hangar. The theme is PTFE...everything is PTFE to withstand ethanol. Even the shrink wrap is PTFE and sealing. I have an order on the way from summit with the AN fittings and AN hose needed to wrap this up and install the tank back in the car. All of this crap for a return line restriction. On the plus side, everything in the feed and return is 3/8" vs the factory 5/16" if it's even that with those tight kinked bends (especially on the factory hangar). If I need more fuel I will now be able to utilize a surge tank no problem. 

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                          Managed to get that all in there, took a little bit.

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                          O-ringed the bolts

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                          Bam! Final product.

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                          For good measure...

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                          And here is the jet pump pickup...good ol zip tie

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                            Nick_08
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                            Tank is in, everything clears...

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                              Boris3
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                              Nicely done!

                              1990 325i racecar (ITS, former Spec E30); 2004 330i ZHP

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                                If you're considering or questioning what I just did...check out how badass this little jet pump is.

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                                  Fuel lines are done again, flex sensor plumbed in. 

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                                    I did a test on the effectiveness of the venturi jet pump. It was able to pump 1 gallon of fuel to the other side of the tank in 36 seconds with fuel pressure holding solid at 43psi. There was a fu*king tornado in the tank lmao. Very impressed. 

                                    I've added a turbine back pressure sensor and a 3 port boost control solenoid. All plumbed and wired in...

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                                      What’s the idea with das loopinator?

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                                      • KaiserRollsK
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                                        B C said:

                                        What’s the idea with das loopinator? 

                                        My guess is heat, helps protect the sensor probably

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                                        • The Full BananaT
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                                          Throwing a guess in for vibration resistance given that it’s all hardline

                                          Tom - I have a few BMWs, an overworked Volvo 242, and now a YouTube channel called Drive, Revive, Tinker

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