Helmets: What the snell do I need
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good information here. Joe - if you want to join me, iI'm going to Pegasus on Saturday the 21st to try some on, as I've never wore a helmet so sizing is a big ? mark. I will have to buy one on the spot for the 22nd event, but i'd rather get a properly fitting one even if the selection isn't as great as online. from the research I've found, people do like the open face for visibility and coolness (temperature) but they won't protect your face in the event of an accident. considering I have no airbags in either car, i'd like to keep my face bones in order if it comes to that, so i was leaning towards closed face. plus I can hide my shame face after some poor driving.
That would work for me! Let me know what timing you're thinking when the day gets closer. I don't think I have anything going on that day so whatever works is good.
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will do. it will be later morning but i'll text you friday.
Dan
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Another item to note... As a guy who was in one horrific crash that turned into two crashes (was driving) and one small crash on a track (wasn't driving). Spend the 30-40 bucks and get a neck donut if you aren't going full HANS. They help support the weight of the helmet so your neck doesn't take as much of the strain and also it helps to straighten your neck. Again, remember that adding a helmet also adds weight to your head when moving upon impact. Cheap insurance;)
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Since we already had the airbag and helmet controversy in this thread might as well add the neck collar and helmet controversy [emoji41]
Short version: good for fatigue and karting but not a track day safety device.
If you've got a roll bar / cage and a fixed-back race seat spend the money for a HANs or other H&N restraint. After watching footage of my head when I smacked a wall at RA I also added a halo containment seat.
All that said, I've got an old Simpson foam collar gathering dust. Neck support or useful donut to sit on if your other end has issues...
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I like this thread
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Since we already had the airbag and helmet controversy in this thread might as well add the neck collar and helmet controversy
Short version: good for fatigue and karting but not a track day safety device.
If you've got a roll bar / cage and a fixed-back race seat spend the money for a HANs or other H&N restraint. After watching footage of my head when I smacked a wall at RA I also added a halo containment seat.
All that said, I've got an old Simpson foam collar gathering dust. Neck support or useful donut to sit on if your other end has issues...
lots of drama in the racing safety equipment world!
so if someone has their head up their ass, the donut will protect both at the same time?
Dan
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Just to add on to why the HANS is mandatory as well as why the collar does not work. As Rich said, the HANS only comes into play with harnesses. This is the first I have heard about the full face helmet and airbag argument but as I was told when buying a helmet -- "buy the full face helmet because you like your face"
I hope this link works.
https://www.facebook.com/racecareng/videos/10152479509154707/?pnref=story
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I guess I was not clear in my comment. I was discussing the personal benefits of entry level equipment for track days (HPDE). HANS devices are/were not mandatory. I would definitely agree that there is not replacement for the HANS device. It's the route to go. But, for people starting out and buying a helmet I would recommend what has worked for me. Sadly I've been in too many wrecked BMW's and personally after being in an accident with one and without one, I noticed a large difference in overall neck travel and post accident muscle fatigue. After reading the thread start regarding the seat where headroom appeared to be an issue, I was lead believe that the seats are stock and/or a cage is not present. Ergo, I was under the impression (perhaps false) that this was not a car in which a HANS device would be utilized.
Again, it's just personal experience for me with this item - nothing more nothing less. If they have not benefited you in any way and/or work for your bottoms better - cheers.
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dastuz, all good. I picked my collar up after one of my first track days after my neck was sore from riding as a passenger in some instructor cars. The issue turned out to be a combination of a cheap heavy helmet and the way a novice passenger tends to carry their head versus a driver (e.g., more torque on the neck due to a failure to look ahead/up and especially the failure to anticipate and look through the turns). Fixing both of these made the collar unnecessary for me, plus I had been exploring more about the pros and cons of collars in wrecks and decided this was not for me. At the time when I was driving I was just starting out with stock seats and roll bar.
Sounds like you've had more than your fair share of BMW wrecks. Hope that pattern changes, or has changed, for the better. Good that the collar helped you, and more importantly glad that you were able to walk away.
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At the time when I was driving I was just starting out with stock seats and roll bar.
did you have any problems with e30 sport seats and helmet clearance? i have a tall torso and am a little concerned I will be hitting the roof. i think you are a little taller than me too.
Dan
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Boris3 said:
At the time when I was driving I was just starting out with stock seats and roll bar.
did you have any problems with e30 sport seats and helmet clearance? i have a tall torso and am a little concerned I will be hitting the roof. i think you are a little taller than me too.
My head clears with stock sports and a helmet
I rode in Brooke's Miata with a hardtop and helmet. That was a tight squeeze
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did you have any problems with e30 sport seats and helmet clearance? i have a tall torso and am a little concerned I will be hitting the roof. i think you are a little taller than me too.
I look forward to running a fixed back seat for a bit more head room! I will finally be able to sit upright and not be slouching.
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I'm 6' and tall torso as well so understand the challenge.
FWIW, here's my progression.
I started out in 2001 in a 93 Miata with a foam modded stock seat (bottom foam mostly cut out), bolt in roll bar and hard top, and stock belts. Next went to a fixed back Momo Start t-frame race seat with the bottom cushion removed, 6-pt harness and fabbed mounts which got me lower. I fit and my helmet didn't touch the hard top but barely passed the broomstick test and my helmet back was closer to the bar than I liked.
When I switched to the e30 in 2007 the starting DE setup was the well worn stock sport seats at the lowest possible setting, a Kirk roll bar, and some used Schroth asm belts. Head clearance with helmet but not a lot. Sun roof carriage and head liner limit the space. Plus the faster I got the less comfortable I felt about the safety of the whole belt setup.
So... next was a used Recaro SRD seat with Massive Lee's adapters to fit the e30 sliders, and a six point harness. Replaced that set up with a used Cobra Suzuka GT fixed back seat (still have that as my passenger seat for DE ride alongs). Needed the GT to get the shoulder harness holes high enough relative to the harness cross bar. By the way this is the other issue if you have a tall torso when you're race seat shopping.
When I went completely off the deep end and gutted and caged the car I went with a new Suzuka GT, VAC floor and side mounts.
The current setup with the OMP HTE-R seat, omp side mounts and the vac floor mounts turns out to be the best yet for overall fit, and plenty of helmet clearance.
Sorry for rambling on. Short version: yes you'll fit but it takes some time and experimentation to find out what works best for you. Also the price point will always increase ... welcome to the slippery slope.
You guys know this already but at an autox or track day always walk around the paddock and ask to sit in people's cars. Cheap way to try out seats and setups.
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I'm 6'4"... I already know fitting in the e36 with a helmet is going to be interesting. I'll most likely require a combination of slouching, gangster lean, and possibly an open sunroof.
For the e30, the slicktop gives me a little more room so hopefully I can make it work as I am planning to keep a completely stock interior. Once the e30 is moving again, it will see the majority of helmet related driving and the e36 will be reserved for daily duty and winter events. I guess worst case scenario I swap in a fixed back seat before events.
Anyone know, on average, how much a helmet would add to the top of your head?
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I'm 6'4"... I already know fitting in the e36 with a helmet is going to be interesting. I'll most likely require a combination of slouching, gangster lean, and possibly an open sunroof.
For the e30, the slicktop gives me a little more room so hopefully I can make it work as I am planning to keep a completely stock interior. Once the e30 is moving again, it will see the majority of helmet related driving and the e36 will be reserved for daily duty and winter events. I guess worst case scenario I swap in a fixed back seat before events.
Anyone know, on average, how much a helmet would add to the top of your head?
2-3" maybe?
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we stopped by Pegasus on Saturday. Bart was the guy behind the counter who was very helpful and full of advise.
trying on a bunch of helmets was very necessary as the fit went beyond just head size. also, between brands, a large wasn't consistently the same size.
OMP helmets ran smaller, Bell in the middle, and Racequip were slightly larger. this a good thing because you end up with a bunch of different sizes to get it just right.
we also learned Pegasus doesn't keep all the helmets in stock, so we got lucky that the proper fitting ones were there. (2 months+ for them to get in more stock)
Rich you were right - candy store of awesome stuff!
Dan
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we stopped by Pegasus on Saturday. Bart was the guy behind the counter who was very helpful and full of advise.
trying on a bunch of helmets was very necessary as the fit went beyond just head size. also, between brands, a large wasn't consistently the same size.
OMP helmets ran smaller, Bell in the middle, and Racequip were slightly larger. this a good thing because you end up with a bunch of different sizes to get it just right.
we also learned Pegasus doesn't keep all the helmets in stock, so we got lucky that the proper fitting ones were there. (2 months+ for them to get in more stock)
Rich you were right - candy store of awesome stuff!
Bart was super helpful, Pegasus is amazing. They will continue to get my business for sure.
+1 on try before you buy! The differences in how each brand fit was surprising
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Glad you found helmets that fit. Between your own head shape and all the different shell structures and interior padding designs it really helps to try them on. I'm always amazed at the guys that can just do the online order and tape measure approach and actually get the right fit.
If I'm thinking correctly about the same guy who helped you, Bart has been a presence in Milwaukee autox for years, competing and working tech. Good guy and knows his stuff.
Showroom is fun and only has a small fraction displayed of what they carry in stock. All sorts of goodness in the online and hard copy catalogues.
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I'm 6' and tall torso as well so understand the challenge.
FWIW, here's my progression.
So what you are telling me is that you have a stockpile of seats for me to try?
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If I'm thinking correctly about the same guy who helped you, Bart has been a presence in Milwaukee autox for years, competing and working tech. Good guy and knows his stuff.
yup that's him, he mentioned we'd see him out there at the autox at miller park.
Dan
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