What (non-BMW/non-GM) V8 Would You Swap Into A BMW?

[patsbimmer1]

Rowleym said:

Never understood this. Why 2jz when a stock junkyard 300$ 150K mile m50 nearly BOLTS IN and can make 800ish hp on factory internals, and on stock ecu, etc. 

Not that I don't believe you but please show me this 800whp m50 on stock internals.  It's much easier and cheaper to get the 2jz to 1,000whp than to get an m50 to 800whp.  Not to mention the volume of 2jz's out there already making north of 1,000whp and the amount of engineering that has been put into these products.  It's easy bolt in power.

[Rowleym]

Look up franks e36 budget build part duex on bf.c

He's makinf 780whp 600wtq on junkyard m50nv with vanos convert on stock ecu/ e85.

But anyways. If you look over the pond there is more people making that kind of power.

But who would ever need more than 500whp in an e30? That's just insane even.

[GunMetalGrey]

Rowleym said:

Look up franks e36 budget build part duex on bf.c

He's makinf 780whp 600wtq on junkyard m50nv with vanos convert on stock ecu/ e85.

This is wildly inaccurate. It is an m52 crank with H beam rodg in an m50 block. It was all fully rebuilt, not a junkyard motor anymore in my opinion. 

A stock bottom end in an m50tu or nv will never stand up to 750whp

[Rowleym]

GunMetalGrey said:

This is wildly inaccurate. It is an m52 crank with H beam rodg in an m50 block. It was all fully rebuilt, not a junkyard motor anymore in my opinion. 

A stock bottom end in an m50tu or nv will never stand up to 750whp

Not true. Ill find you some more proof. he isn't using an m52 crank. That was part one, and it died. Hes on a junkyard m50nv block right now.

[HipMF]

Rowleym said:

But who would ever need more than 500whp in an e30? That's just insane even.

^This.

Anything over four or five hundred is beyond what any average mortal can handle in ANY car, unless you're just doing highway pulls and at that point it's just a bunch of dick-measuring anyway...

[GunMetalGrey]

HipMF said:

^This.

Anything over four or five hundred is beyond what any average mortal can handle in ANY car, unless you're just doing highway pulls and at that point it's just a bunch of dick-measuring anyway...

I've got my ruler out!

[Rowleym]

http://www.e30tech.com/forum/showthread.php?t=118110&page=2

and here is another one with stock internals, 761whp

[patsbimmer1]

HipMF said:

^This.

Anything over four or five hundred is beyond what any average mortal can handle in ANY car, unless you're just doing highway pulls and at that point it's just a bunch of dick-measuring anyway...

Why?  Because why not... Are you even American!?!?

Rowleym said:

http://www.e30tech.com/forum/showthread.php?t=118110&page=2

and here is another one with stock internals, 761whp

If you are talking about the widebody then it says right in the description it has an M52 crank on page 1 and later on the owner of the dyno says "stock parts built engine".  It's not some random stock m50 they just threw a bunch of boost on and made power.  Not to mention, the dynapack dyno's always read a lot higher than Mustang or Dynojet numbers.  Throw it on a Dynojet and I bet it drops below 700whp.  Now, that's still impressive but does not support your previous claim.

Not to detract from this thread but there is no arguing that the 2jz is a better engine to make stupid amounts of horsepower.  That's it, done.  I could sit here and find oddball examples of other engines as well but those are exceptions.

[Rowleym]

My argument was simply, a 2jz swap it just absolutely retarded for 99.99999999999% of e30 owners as the m50 bolts in and makes WAY too much power on stock internals. 

I know all about the links I posted. 

Both of these examples are using STOCK m50 non vanos rods. 

And e36 hater is using a complete 150K mile junkyard longblock, with a cut ring and arps... stock head revving to 7800 I believe. But he added vanos. 

I believe he trapped over 135. I don't care what dyno its on. 135mph IS FAST.

[Rowleym]

That being said, for comparison sake, most people refer to dyno jet numbers. We all know mustang dyno's can read whatever the hell they want to read.

[andyhundley]

Rowleym said:

My argument was simply, a 2jz swap it just absolutely retarded for 99.99999999999% of e30 owners as the m50 bolts in and makes WAY too much power on stock internals. 

I know all about the links I posted. 

Both of these examples are using STOCK m50 non vanos rods. 

And e36 hater is using a complete 150K mile junkyard longblock, with a cut ring and arps... stock head revving to 7800 I believe. But he added vanos. 

I believe he trapped over 135. I don't care what dyno its on. 135mph IS FAST. 

Drag racing is dumb.  EDIT: You guys are getting off of topic.

[B C]

I vote M62 swap

[patsbimmer1]

I can't do the internet today. There's too much stupid.

[HipMF]

M62 swapped Camero FTW!

- also -

Chevy W-motor swapped into a 4-door e36

[Jdesign]

Hmmmm. This is a hard question to ask.

I would vote LS- for so many reasons. reliable, aftermarket support, cost, plentiful.

Ford-  I have the FE 5.0 302 in my e36, and II must say, its cheap and dumb simple. But.... the LS does all of the things ford does but much better with a little more $$.

UZ's - Awesome power plants that sounds amazing(when I had open headers on my LS430 I couldn't the wipe a grin off of my face even at idle. You can find 1UZ's super cheap and 2/3UZ's for a little bit more, but wiring isn't the easiest walk in the park, plus using an adapter for a manual trans ups the price quite a bit. 

VH45- Awesome power plant that sounds amazing as well. You can have one for pennies, but again wiring isn't the easiest walk in the park or you pay to have a harness made, plus using an adapter for a manual trans ups the price too. 

Anything else would be cool, but with that comes more time and money unless it has a big carburetor on it. But that's pretty much giving up and saying I couldn't figure it out so hers some fuel and air, I don't care.