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  • 6670charger6
    6670charger6
    6670charger
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    Have an oil leak, so planning on tearing apart my M20 next week so I can replace the front crankcase seal, the oil pan and valve cover gaskets and the head gasket.

    I've done the timing belt once, so I know how to do that much. Anything in particular I need for tools or good heads up with regard to the head and crankcase seal?

    Thanks.

    88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

    66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

    Appleton, WI

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    • straight6pwrS
      straight6pwrS
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      the front crank bolt can be pretty stuck. you need a stout impact or a looong breaker bars. some people leave the car in 5th, ebrake on and rear wheels on the ground, and some people use the crank pulley holder tool. definitely break it loose before you remove any of the timing stuff.

      Dan
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      • andyhundleyA
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        IDK if you know this already but it would be a good idea to get the head resurfaced and new head bolts if your doing a head gasket.

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        • straight6pwrS
          straight6pwrS
          straight6pwr
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          yeah good idea. also, you'll be taking off the entire intake manifold, so you'll want all new gaskets and hoses related to that job. probably should get your intake manifold powdercoated from snapasaurus rex while you're at it.

          oil leak turns into complete engine tear down = snow balling!

          Dan
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          • jc43089J
            jc43089J
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            Oil is cheap, be careful. My car is a pile of parts in a storage unit because "while I'm in there".

            Sent from my potato phone.

            2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
            3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
            '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

            '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

            '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
            '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
            '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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            • 6670charger6
              6670charger6
              6670charger
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              andyhundley said:

              IDK if you know this already but it would be a good idea to get the head resurfaced and new head bolts if your doing a head gasket.

              Already planned on that one. Thanks.

              88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

              66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

              Appleton, WI

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              • 6670charger6
                6670charger6
                6670charger
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                straight6pwr said:

                yeah good idea. also, you'll be taking off the entire intake manifold, so you'll want all new gaskets and hoses related to that job. probably should get your intake manifold powdercoated from snapasaurus rex while you're at it.

                oil leak turns into complete engine tear down = snow balling!

                Thanks for that one. I'm planning on most of the rubber parts as nearly everything is original. I'll have to do some extra research to see what all I need there.

                88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                Appleton, WI

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                • YoungCRY
                  YoungCRY
                  YoungCR
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                  What headgasket do you plan on buying? The headgasket kit from Victor Rienz is only $80 but I always hear people saying not to use VR headgaskets. That may be coming from guys with more performance mods though.

                  Chris Young
                  BMWCCA #458972
                  1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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                  • B
                    B
                    B C
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                    I find myself occasionally running the "if you get that brand of part youre gonna have a bad time" brands in my car and a VR head gasket was one of them. it held up completely fine to boost on my m20.

                    Id still probably buy a Goteze (spelling??) gasket for absolutely no justifiable reason

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                    • 6670charger6
                      6670charger6
                      6670charger
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                      CYoung said:

                      What headgasket do you plan on buying? The headgasket kit from Victor Rienz is only $80 but I always hear people saying not to use VR headgaskets. That may be coming from guys with more performance mods though.

                      Not sure yet. I'm still researching and looking for good sources. It'll probably be a combination of Rock Auto and Ebay. The VR gasket sounds familiar from Rock Auto, though.

                      88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                      66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                      Appleton, WI

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                      • YoungCRY
                        YoungCRY
                        YoungCR
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                        6670charger said:

                        Not sure yet. I'm still researching and looking for good sources. It'll probably be a combination of Rock Auto and Ebay. The VR gasket sounds familiar from Rock Auto, though.

                        Here's the kit in reference. AutohausAZ's prices have been hard to beat lately. Kit should have every seal needed but I haven't cross referenced p#'s myself yet.

                        http://www.autohausaz.com/pn/11129059240

                        Chris Young
                        BMWCCA #458972
                        1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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                        • 6670charger6
                          6670charger6
                          6670charger
                          wrote on last edited by
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                          CYoung said:

                          Here's the kit in reference. AutohausAZ's prices have been hard to beat lately. Kit should have every seal needed but I haven't cross referenced p#'s myself yet.

                          http://www.autohausaz.com/pn/11129059240

                          Nice find! I see what appears to be the same kit on ebay for nearly $30 more.

                          88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                          66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                          Appleton, WI

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                          • EarlE
                            EarlE
                            Earl
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                            I know on m5x/s5x and m42's that the Victor Reinz headgaskets are garbage. If Snap ran his on boost though, I would say you'll be fine.

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                            • 6670charger6
                              6670charger6
                              6670charger
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                              Well, I ordered a Victor Reinz gasket and a bunch of other parts yesterday. I'm not running boost on my car; it's just a stock engine and daily driver. Hopefully it will work well and I won't have to do this again any time soon. Changing all water hoses, timing belt/water pump, V-belts, thermostat, crankshaft pos sensor, head bolts, front crankshaft seal, and will do valve adjustment when assembly complete. Will also get the head surfaced. I can see oil dripping from the head on the passenger side when the car runs, so I think that's where the primary leak is. May also replace the hood release cable and lube the latch while I'm under there and things are apart.

                              88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                              66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                              Appleton, WI

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                              • 6670charger6
                                6670charger6
                                6670charger
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                                Well, got started today on the head gasket. Got as far as getting the timing belt removed, valve cover off, and the throttle cables and throttle body removed from the intake. Tomorrow comes removal of the exhaust manifolds and then the head, then removal of the intake and other items from the head so it can go in for surfacing. The only pesty thing so far is trying to remove the hex bolt that attaches the Crankshaft position sensor. Hoping that removing the head will create more clearance for a vise grips to work. The hex part has stripped.

                                Tomorrow will also begin the cleaning process for the block and engine bay. Want this puppy clean when I put it together.

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                                88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                                66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                                Appleton, WI

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                                • B
                                  B
                                  B C
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                                  Bring me all the crabs.

                                  Did you make sure to forget to align the cam sprocket and crank at TDC like some of us do?

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                                  • 6670charger6
                                    6670charger6
                                    6670charger
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                                    Snap said:

                                    Bring me all the crabs. Did you make sure to forget to align the cam sprocket and crank at TDC like some of us do?

                                    Actually I didn't. I have a pretty good DYI from Bimmerforums. The car won't move so the bottom end will stay put. The only thing I'll have to do is make sure I have the top end set right before I put the head back on, and then verify again. My main concern is making sure I get all the various hoses reconnected to the right things. I managed to get most of them marked with tape. Have one or two not.

                                    88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                                    66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                                    Appleton, WI

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                                    • 6670charger6
                                      6670charger6
                                      6670charger
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                                      Got the head loose yesterday. Don't have it out of the car yet as I ran out of time before we had to take our son for high school registration and then get dinner. Today will pull it out of the car and disassemble the intake from it. The exhaust mani nuts came off really easy which was the part I was dreading most. Then the huge cleaning job as there is oil and grease all over everywhere. Somewhere in there is also the front crankshaft seal. Gonna leave the rear one for the shop if it needs to be done, as I'm not going to deal with trying to pull the trans in the driveway. Wouldn't mind it on a rack, but not going to deal with wrestling a transmission under a car with only three feet of wiggle room.

                                      So far everything has come apart really well. Hopefully reassembly goes as well. I'll post a few more pics later today after I get the head out of the car.

                                      88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                                      66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                                      Appleton, WI

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                                      • jc43089J
                                        jc43089J
                                        jc43089
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                                        Good work!

                                        Sent from my potato phone.

                                        2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                                        3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                                        '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                                        '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                                        '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                                        '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                                        '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                                        • 6670charger6
                                          6670charger6
                                          6670charger
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                                          Got the head out yesterday and off to the shop for surfacing. Now comes the cleaning and painting. Won't get to the reassembly until next week as several parts aren't scheduled to arrive until MON/TUE. Have plenty of cleaning to keep me busy though.

                                          Everything came apart astoundingly easily, even the exhaust mani nuts. Did have cause for a near heart attack yesterday though. I was having a problem getting the torx screw that holds the crank position sensor out of the holder and so decided to tap it with a hammer. Two taps and the whole thing broke off! For about five seconds I had thought that the head was shot, thinking that the mount was cast into the head, until I realized that the holder was bolted on. Called BMW and they actually had one they could get for about $7.

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                                          88 325ic, Cirrus Blau; 120,000 miles

                                          66 Dodge Charger, red/black, mileage unknown

                                          Appleton, WI

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