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  • EarlE
    EarlE
    Earl
    wrote on last edited by
    #2

    There is height adjustment. They use a sleeve and collar that goes under the spring. The thing is that the springs are still tall and the rear ends up sitting high, even with the adjusters removed.

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    • patsbimmer1P
      patsbimmer1P
      patsbimmer1
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      Springs?  You don't need springs... Just a bump stop.

      2011 e90 M3 - DCT, Borla exhaust, BMW Performance Black Grille, ECS Painted Corners, Ziza Angel Eyes

      07 335i Stella - sport package, BMS DCI, zhp knob, TMS cf parking brake lever, VRSF downpipes, MHD tune, H&R race springs, other stuff *SOLD*

      97 328i Lola - sport package, m50 intake manifold, m50 manifold.com install kit, custom CAI, K&N filter, Borla exhaust, FK silverline coilovers, 25.5mm front sway bar, Powerflex front sway bushings, Turner Radiator, fan delete *sold*
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      93 nissan 240sx KA-T *sold*

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        michael1972
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        #4

        Earl said:

        There is height adjustment. They use a sleeve and collar that goes under the spring. The thing is that the springs are still tall and the rear ends up sitting high, even with the adjusters removed.

        Well thats lame. So how do u remedy this? Cut a coil out maybe?

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        • EarlE
          EarlE
          Earl
          wrote on last edited by
          #5

          You would get shorter springs. Also, Raceland and JOM coilovers don't lower the front much at all, even when maxxed out.

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            michael1972
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            #6

            Earl said:

            You would get shorter springs. Also, Raceland and JOM coilovers don't lower the front much at all, even when maxxed out.

            So then Im buying lowering springs on top of coilovers. Jeesh. What brand coils would you reccomend that will get it low? Or would lowering springs alone do the trick?

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            • EarlE
              EarlE
              Earl
              wrote on last edited by
              #7

              Not lowering springs per say, but just shorter springs in general. Something like Swift or Hyperco springs. 

              BC Racing Coilovers seem to get e30's pretty low.  CaTuned Coilovers also go pretty low. Collin on here has them.

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              • GunMetalGreyG
                GunMetalGreyG
                GunMetalGrey
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                Earl said:

                You would get shorter springs. Also, Raceland and JOM coilovers don't lower the front much at all, even when maxxed out. 

                Earl, you are on crack. 

                It depends on if you have an early model or late, wheel/tire size as well. Also remember that you DO have an oil pan.

                Friend has JOM's on his early 318 (rides like total ass) and it is low enough that the oil pan went kaboom on the highway over a small bump. It's plenty low, and has room to go down further. On 16's as well.

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                  michael1972
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                  GunMetalGrey said:

                  Earl, you are on crack.

                  It depends on if you have an early model or late, wheel/tire size as well. Also remember that you DO have an oil pan.

                  Friend has JOM's on his early 318 (rides like total ass) and it is low enough that the oil pan went kaboom on the highway over a small bump. It's plenty low, and has room to go down further. On 16's as well.

                  So JOM's have a shitty ride? I called Raceland on my lunch hour and the rep said they'er regular kit has a 1-3" drop and they have a ultimate kit that has a 1-4" drop. I'm thinking I'm gonna try the ultimate kit. As far as wheel size I am thinking 17's. But maybe 16's so I can go a little lower and save a little cash. What do you guys think about 17's on a e30? Obviously this will be my first e30 expierence so I have no idea. i do know all about wheel specs and so fourth from my other 3 bimmers I have owned. Just not sure what will look the best on a e30. Definetly want em flush or even tucked a bit.

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                  • patsbimmer1P
                    patsbimmer1P
                    patsbimmer1
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                    #10

                    What is your goal for the car?  As low as possible or are you concerned about ride quality/ handling at all?

                    2011 e90 M3 - DCT, Borla exhaust, BMW Performance Black Grille, ECS Painted Corners, Ziza Angel Eyes

                    07 335i Stella - sport package, BMS DCI, zhp knob, TMS cf parking brake lever, VRSF downpipes, MHD tune, H&R race springs, other stuff *SOLD*

                    97 328i Lola - sport package, m50 intake manifold, m50 manifold.com install kit, custom CAI, K&N filter, Borla exhaust, FK silverline coilovers, 25.5mm front sway bar, Powerflex front sway bushings, Turner Radiator, fan delete *sold*
                    95 325is *sold*
                    93 nissan 240sx KA-T *sold*

                    BMWCCA #473306

                    Instagram @patsbimmer1

                    AKA- HALLWAY PAT

                    "burnouts bring babes and babes dont have time for bushings" - Kaiser Rolls

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                    • EarlE
                      EarlE
                      Earl
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #11

                      I'm not on crack=/ All the threads I have read on JOM's say they dont go low.

                      For the pricing you want to spend, to get a nice ride you're better off going custom using coil sleeves, shorter strut inserts, and shortening the housings in the front.

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                        michael1972
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                        #12

                        End goal is low but functional. Will probably autocross it. Not that concerned about the perfomance factor just autocrossing for fun. Not trying to make a real serious track car.

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                        • ClassEC
                          ClassEC
                          ClassE
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                          #13

                          "Low" is subjective BTW. What size rim/tire combo are you running?

                          When I was looking at coils, they all needed to be welded to front hub assemblies (except 1-2), so you can manipulate the front suspension height some based on where you weld to the hub (the lower you set the coil sleeve over the existing hub assembly - the lower the front will sit).

                          For reference - you cut the original shock off and your new coil "slides over" the old shock body. Slide it down till it hits the hub and weld = LOW (like I did below), leave 2"-3" higher will leave your suspension 2"-3" higher (ride height is kinda tricky, because it's a combination of where you weld the coil - how tall the coil body is - and where you have the collars adjusted).

                          Rear height is all determined by the spring height and collar height. On my car - collars are completely removed and have a smaller 1/2" spacer to add some height.

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                          My car on CATuned coils welded in the "low" position with 16"x9" on 205/40. I could set the car on the ground in front, and can go another 1/2"-3/4" lower in back if just had spring installed:

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                            michael1972
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                            #14

                            I am not trying to do all of that. I just want to install a set of coilovers. I have watched a few raceland e30 install videos and they simply slide the old shock out of the front tube assembly and put in the Raceland shock and the adjustable collar and then reassemble the strut. And they look to go plenty low. I will probably run some sort of staggered wheel setup if its possible. I like haveing wider wheels/tires in the rear. Not 100% on if I want 16's or 17's. I have been looking at the ESM 002r wheels.

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                            • patsbimmer1P
                              patsbimmer1P
                              patsbimmer1
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #15

                              Racelands will be the most economical chouce if you want cheap and low. Just don't expect any longevity or quality.

                              2011 e90 M3 - DCT, Borla exhaust, BMW Performance Black Grille, ECS Painted Corners, Ziza Angel Eyes

                              07 335i Stella - sport package, BMS DCI, zhp knob, TMS cf parking brake lever, VRSF downpipes, MHD tune, H&R race springs, other stuff *SOLD*

                              97 328i Lola - sport package, m50 intake manifold, m50 manifold.com install kit, custom CAI, K&N filter, Borla exhaust, FK silverline coilovers, 25.5mm front sway bar, Powerflex front sway bushings, Turner Radiator, fan delete *sold*
                              95 325is *sold*
                              93 nissan 240sx KA-T *sold*

                              BMWCCA #473306

                              Instagram @patsbimmer1

                              AKA- HALLWAY PAT

                              "burnouts bring babes and babes dont have time for bushings" - Kaiser Rolls

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                                michael1972
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                                #16

                                patsbimmer1 said:

                                Racelands will be the most economical chouce if you want cheap and low. Just don't expect any longevity or quality.

                                Yea Im cool with that on this project. If it becomes something more then I will upgrade as needed.

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                                  michael1972
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                                  #17

                                  ClassE what year and model is your car?

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                                  • YoungCRY
                                    YoungCRY
                                    YoungCR
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                                    Personally o wouldn't go over 16" wheels on a e30, but that's my opinion. Plenty of tire options and less weight/clearance issues.

                                    Chris Young
                                    BMWCCA #458972
                                    1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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                                    • EarlE
                                      EarlE
                                      Earl
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                                      #19

                                      I agree with 16's being the perfect fit=)

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                                        B C
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                                        I would agree with 16" looking and fitting proper but in my searches the tire selection was slim

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                                        • EarlE
                                          EarlE
                                          Earl
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                                          ^That is the downside

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