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    M318 said:

    I have to wear looser pants when I look at those pictures. The rims look like the stock ones for the e93 m3.

    Because you are so depressed that you partake in binge-eating?

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      REKIII said:

      Oh, another thing....I think the whole 4 series is a joke.  The fact that they killed the M3 coupe made a little part of every BMW owner die.

      I think the Audi A5/S5 and A7/S7 are a big part of why the 4 series and 6 series Gran Coupe are happening

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        That's even a worse reason to do it.

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          Bean counters be damned

                                -Engineering

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            Bean Counters and Marketing.  BMW used to be straight forward....if it said 325i on the back it was a 2.5L engine in a 3 series.  They fucked that up.

            Then they started adding all the different series, stopped putting the same size engine in that matched the name, etc.

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              REKIII said:

              Bean Counters and Marketing.  BMW used to be straight forward....if it said 325i on the back it was a 2.5L engine in a 3 series.  They fucked that up.

              Then they started adding all the different series, stopped putting the same size engine in that matched the name, etc.

              I think they still keep true to that on the few NA motors they make. (someone correct me if I'm wrong) But with the FI motors they name it with the displacement the engine would need to be, if it were NA.

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              Silver Grey E46 M3

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                I fucking hate the 2/4 series. 

                They're better looking than the 1/3 series IMO, but the name pisses me off a lot more than it should.

                *** and get rid of that damn M4 badge in the front grill. fuck.

                2021 Gladiator Willys -- 6 speed manual, 33" Falken AT, 3/4" level

                2021 Low Rider S -- Stage 2, 117hp/128ft lbs

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                  AvusHatesCones said:

                  I think they still keep true to that on the few NA motors they make. (someone correct me if I'm wrong) But with the FI motors they name it with the displacement the engine would need to be, if it were NA. 

                  I believe the e36 and e46 323i were screwballs since they were actually 2.5's  

                  Then you can count the e30 325e and it being a 2.7 as well. 

                  I think the e23 745i turbo had some logic to it even though it had a 3.3 or 3.5L engine since the turbo gave it the volumetric capacity of a 4.5

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                    Snap said:

                    I believe the e36 and e46 323i were screwballs since they were actually 2.5's  

                    Then you can count the e30 325e and it being a 2.7 as well. 

                    I think the e23 745i turbo had some logic to it even though it had a 3.3 or 3.5L engine since the turbo gave it the volumetric capacity of a 4.5

                    Yeah that's very true... Either way calling the most iconic BMW, an M4 is probably the stupidest thing they have ever done with a name

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                    Silver Grey E46 M3

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                      REKIII said:

                      Bean Counters and Marketing.  BMW used to be straight forward....if it said 325i on the back it was a 2.5L engine in a 3 series.  They fucked that up.

                      Then they started adding all the different series, stopped putting the same size engine in that matched the name, etc.

                      like my 318 that is actually a 319. They should just sell 319 badges to "correct" those jerks.

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                        M318 said:

                        like my 318 that is actually a 319. They should just sell 319 badges to "correct" those jerks.

                        I know your trying to be ironic and funny, but seriously, what would have been so hard about calling it a 319?  If they want to do something like that, do it right.  Otherwise just have the 3 and offer it with different engine options.  BMW took a cool idea and wrecked it.

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                          REKIII said:

                          I know your trying to be ironic and funny, but seriously, what would have been so hard about calling it a 319?  If they want to do something like that, do it right.  Otherwise just have the 3 and offer it with different engine options.  BMW took a cool idea and wrecked it.

                          They wrecked the 3

                          ...wrecked 3

                          ...REKIII

                            :mellow:

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                            Hahahaha.  I guess I have to take the blame.

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                              I rarely like the current models of BMW's. it typically takes me several years to decide I like them...

                              That said, I can not get over the change in series naming. I really am losing interest in new BMW's by each generation change.

                              Lots of good comments here. One I didn't immediately pick up on was the headlights meeting the kidney grills. I think that's important to note and see just how far we're moving away from our heritage.

                              alexw

                              332ti - Work in Progress

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                                When all signs started pointing towards forced induction for new BMWs I felt the same way, especially upon hearing the new M3  (ahem....M4) would also be a turbocharged mill. 

                                Then I read an article about it and someone made a great point. 

                                Turbocharging the M3....faack... M4 is not "breaking away from tradition" as much as I previously thought. 

                                BMW has always installed the engine best suited for that particular chassis given the current  feasible road-car technology available at the time. 

                                For the E30 it was a 16v 4cylinder 

                                E36 it was a 24v I6 with variable Nockenwellensteuerung
                                E46 was dual variable Nockenwellensteuerung and amazing hp/L figures for an emissions compliant car

                                E92 was an alloy 32v V8 (in the midst of some serious horsepower wars whilst aiming to keep weight down and handling intact)

                                and now the Fwhatever chassis is getting a turbo and direct injection, along with the latest advancements in cam timing technology. Realistically it is the only way to keep up with the current and future horsepower wars  while achieving acceptable emissions and economy figures. 

                                so, I want to embrace change and new technology + designs as a good thing, which they are, but for me, the E30 chassis is something that I can have more fun in because if nothing else, I can afford to blow the engine and trans and install them myself without fuss. unlike the $25,000 replacement V10 in the M5 a former co-worker shelled out when the warranty coverage was denied.

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                                  AvusHatesCones said:

                                  I think they still keep true to that on the few NA motors they make. (someone correct me if I'm wrong) But with the FI motors they name it with the displacement the engine would need to be, if it were NA.

                                  From what I've read, this point forward the "displacement" numbers in the naming of vehicles will be the same from here on out. By next year in the North American market BMW will have all NA engines phased out of the line up and will only be offering 4 basic engines: 2.0l I4, 2.0l I4 diesel, 3.0l I6 and 4.4 V8. The specific name of the model will depend on the tune of the engine for example the 320i is just a detuned 328i, same with a 535i vs 640i sharing the I6.

                                  Badges aside, I'm excited for the M4 considering the F30 chassis is incredibly engineered and well balanced. As much as I love the out going S65, it's awesome to have a straight six back, and it sounds sexy in the video :D

                                  Chris Young
                                  BMWCCA #458972
                                  1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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                                    I'm totally ready to embrace the turbo motors.  This isn't new for BMW, the've played around with turbo mills for years.  No naming is what really chaffes my ass.  I really don't like the headlights touching the grille, and I may never like it, but design evolves and some like it some don't.  The naming convention change is unforgiveable.

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                                      REKIII said:

                                      I know your trying to be ironic and funny, but seriously, what would have been so hard about calling it a 319?  If they want to do something like that, do it right.  Otherwise just have the 3 and offer it with different engine options.  BMW took a cool idea and wrecked it.

                                      I wasn't trying to be funny :(

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                                        I'm just wondering how long the new m4 motor will last and if it will be reliable or not

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                                          spyshots-bmw-4-series-gran-coupe-spotted

                                          Hey look, a 4-series gran coupe'

                                          so that makes it a 4-door version of the 2-door version of the 4-door car..........

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