chit chat thread
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I think you are being very over dramatic. There are many examples of turbo e30s at over 400whp that have been reliable for a long time. And there are many 24v's past 400whp. Probably twice as many 500whp 24v's then 400whp m20's. But really, putting down anything past 400whp is hard in an e30.
But i think the biggest reason for me going 24v, is that my car didn't come with an m20b25, and that I can't find one for a reasonable price that I don't have to rebuild, and that I already have the whole 24v swap.
I'm going to try to cut up the stock exhaust manifolds and add 2" v bands for an adapter piece? I think it might work.
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Trucks are very useful. Well. Unless you get a gas truck. Then I guess you can enjoy picking up groceries with ease.
You're one of those guys.......oh well.
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I think you are being very over dramatic.
Nope. The last guy I knew who even thought about going this route had his car burst into flames the second he bought his first turbo related parts. Another guy bought an old Toyota minivan and mutters to himself about injector impedence v.s. load charges in MS - all while watching his clutch slip like a 90 yr old lady on her way into church after an ice storm.
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Nope. The last guy I knew who even thought about going this route had his car burst into flames the second he bought his first turbo related parts. Another guy bought an old Toyota minivan and mutters to himself about injector impedence v.s. load charges in MS - all while watching his clutch slip like a 90 yr old lady on her way into church after an ice storm.
No doubt 400 whp is achievable going either route - and it would likely run great.... For awhile. I've just watched too many budget minded turbo builds infuriate people due to breaking parts and wallets on a regular basis. I stand by the "build in right - build it once" mentality. If you want 400 whp in a daily, build it to handle 600 whp and resist the urge to up the boost.
Maybe I'm alittle too caught up on the "daily" part of this though - IDK. Remove that word and I say go for it.
For a max effort 24v build I would shoot for over 600whp on the stock block anyways! m20 would be about 400whp, so I think 24v makes sense
The whole daily thing- I want this car so I can beat on it all the time, with relatively full interior, thats street legal. Or at least close enough not to get pulled over all the time
I have other cars to drive so its not like if it breaks down its a real problem. I bought this car because I want a backup car, thats dead nuts, a lot of fun, and cheap, which I'm very confident I can make happen.
I was about 2 seconds away from buying entirely too much stuff for my wrx, and I didn't want that to be broken all the time, when I actually need it haha. Id rather leave it stock, and have much more fun, with less money, with a bmw. I want a car I can drive 365 days a year! Someday when I have like 10k to blow Ill build the wrx
sk8 or die
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Nope. The last guy I knew who even thought about going this route had his car burst into flames the second he bought his first turbo related parts. Another guy bought an old Toyota minivan and mutters to himself about injector impedence v.s. load charges in MS - all while watching his clutch slip like a 90 yr old lady on her way into church after an ice storm.
No doubt 400 whp is achievable going either route - and it would likely run great.... For awhile. I**'ve just watched too many budget minded turbo** builds infuriate people due to breaking parts and wallets on a regular basis. I stand by the "build in right - build it once" mentality. If you want 400 whp in a daily, build it to handle 600 whp and resist the urge to up the boost.
Maybe I'm alittle too caught up on the "daily" part of this though - IDK. Remove that word and I say go for it.
There is no reason not to be budget minded. I'm not going to buy a motec JUST because its the best, I'm going to buy a 200$ because it WORKS. Same reason I have a holset. I bought it because its dead nuts reliable, its cheap, and it works awesome. no reason for a Garrett counterpart, and I'm not putting BB on a daily beater. I mean, I'm going to be building a sch 10 stainless manifold fully back purged and tig welded, And i have a southbend stage 5 clutch and JB chromo flywheel, gotta buy 60lb injectors or whatever, i have ms2, electronic boost control, bosch 044 surge tank, of course I will use quality fittings and such, and an intercooler from ebay isn't going to make it unreliable. O ring'ed 24v with stock gasket and holokrome head bolts.
And I'm going to take a shot at building a wastegate. The guys at my work do, but they charge nearly 1000$ for just one wastegate... Butterfly valve not a stupid poppet style.
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Get some obd2 ex manifolds, they are tubular stainless rather than the cast obd1 probably an easier start for a custom manifold. Sent from my potato phone
Know of anyone with them? I was thinking the same, but sometimes when You can't identify the type of stainless it kind of a pita, but I'm sure I can figure something out.
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O ring'ed 24v with stock gasket and holokrome head bolts.
This is what I mean by budget oriented - not the other stuff. (Personal opinion:) I just don't agree with the "it'll be fine - tons of people have/do it!" When it comes to using a stock internals block/head with a turbo'd daily car.
However - I see what we consider a "daily" car is quite different.
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I have a big rant about diesel queers(you know who you are) coming up when I have some free time. too many damn 3/4 ton grocery getters.
I hate seeing that too. I mean. It is a free country. I also hate seeing modded cars making 400hp+ that are street driven or 1000cc motorcycles. No one needs anything that fast.
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You're one of those guys.......oh well.
What do you mean? I just thing gas trucks are kinda gay. I used to use my parents suburban for towing. But compared to my friends duramax. It sucks ass. I mean. Unless you like listening to that 350 struggle to tow 5000lbs on flat land. The newer gas motors are a lot better. They have come a long way and at the same time. All the emission laws have ruined new diesels. So if my arm was being twisted and I was forced to buy something 2006 and newer. I'd get a 6.2 vortec 2500/3500.
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Real men drive tiny trucks. Period.
Damn I miss this thing - I wanna get another someday.
Rabbit trucks are sweet. It did cross my mind on one of those. Especially since they are so abundant in diesel.
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What do you mean? I just thing gas trucks are kinda gay. I used to use my parents suburban for towing. But compared to my friends duramax. It sucks ass. I mean. Unless you like listening to that 350 struggle to tow 5000lbs on flat land. The newer gas motors are a lot better. They have come a long way and at the same time. All the emission laws have ruined new diesels. So if my arm was being twisted and I was forced to buy something 2006 and newer. I'd get a 6.2 vortec 2500/3500.
Exactly what I thought. You do realize there are other uses for trucks than hauling fifth wheels over 100,000lbs, right? Uses that legitimately require the size and power of a truck, but not the grunt of diesel.
In your world, there would only be full size diesel duallys and compact cars, correct? So, if I wanted to get a sheet of plywood, or pick up a set of wheels, I would have to own and operate my 50k+ diesel dually to do it, right?
I pulled plenty with my gas trucks. I pulled a huge enclosed racecar trailer, and had more power than I knew what to do with, granted, I'm not denying a diesel wouldn't have done better, but on the other 6 days of the week when I wasn't pulling the trailer it would have been completely overkill.
I don't understand the mentality of diesel guys thinking that the truck must be pulling something at all times. When you go buy your diesel, how will you get it home? Will you have another diesel truck bring a spare trailer so you can hook it up before you drive it home? If you don't you risk some douche bag making fun of your grocery getter truck and telling you to get it dirty and haul something.
I've been told by many people that I don't even own a truck because it's not a heavy duty or a diesel. I just don't understand I guess.
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My dad owns a small painting business and a truck is a necessity of life for him. It constantly is loaded with paint buckets, compressors, scaffolding, etc and has pulled open and enclosed trailers, car haulers, boats and more. It is a 2004 F150 with a 5.4, prior to this was a 1999 F150 with a 4.6 and before that was a 1994 F150 with a 5.0... The extra cost associated with a diesel just doesn't make sense when he can accomplish everything he needs with a gas truck.
He just put his order in for a 2015 F150 with the coyote 5.0 and will take delivery in March which will work just fine for everything he does and still be cheaper to own and maintain than a diesel.
P.S. All of his trucks have turned over 200k on original drivetrains including the 04 which just clicked over 200k over thanksgiving.
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Exactly what I thought. You do realize there are other uses for trucks than hauling fifth wheels over 100,000lbs, right? Uses that legitimately require the size and power of a truck, but not the grunt of diesel.
In your world, there would only be full size diesel duallys and compact cars, correct? So, if I wanted to get a sheet of plywood, or pick up a set of wheels, I would have to own and operate my 50k+ diesel dually to do it, right?
I pulled plenty with my gas trucks. I pulled a huge enclosed racecar trailer, and had more power than I knew what to do with, granted, I'm not denying a diesel wouldn't have done better, but on the other 6 days of the week when I wasn't pulling the trailer it would have been completely overkill.
I don't understand the mentality of diesel guys thinking that the truck must be pulling something at all times. When you go buy your diesel, how will you get it home? Will you have another diesel truck bring a spare trailer so you can hook it up before you drive it home? If you don't you risk some douche bag making fun of your grocery getter truck and telling you to get it dirty and haul something.
I've been told by many people that I don't even own a truck because it's not a heavy duty or a diesel. I just don't understand I guess.
I get the same thing with my motorcycle. I purchased a Ninja 300 this year. Everyone and there mother that I meet tells me it's not a sport bike. Even though the insurance company says it is and that is what Ninja classifies it as. Sorry it only does 108 and not 150+. I didn't realize that by owning a motorcycle that means I am going 150 everywhere I go.
A 6.0/6.2 vortec 2500 would make a great towing truck. I know 2 guys with them.
I know why I dislike most gas trucks. It is because the companies that make them suck. The only good one IMO is GM. Ford's new ecoboost is looking really solid and nice. But dodge is still behind in the game.
P.S. I hate dually's. No real residential purpose for them.
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My dad owns a small painting business and a truck is a necessity of life for him. It constantly is loaded with paint buckets, compressors, scaffolding, etc and has pulled open and enclosed trailers, car haulers, boats and more. It is a 2004 F150 with a 5.4, prior to this was a 1999 F150 with a 4.6 and before that was a 1994 F150 with a 5.0... The extra cost associated with a diesel just doesn't make sense when he can accomplish everything he needs with a gas truck.
He just put his order in for a 2015 F150 with the coyote 5.0 and will take delivery in March which will work just fine for everything he does and still be cheaper to own and maintain than a diesel.
P.S. All of his trucks have turned over 200k on original drivetrains including the 04 which just clicked over 200k over thanksgiving.
Just curious. Is there a reason he went with the 5.0 instead of the 3.5 ecoboost?
I wouldn't have gotten a diesel either if it's just going to do light duty work.
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This is what I mean by budget oriented - not the other stuff. (Personal opinion:) I just don't agree with the "it'll be fine - tons of people have/do it!" When it comes to using a stock internals block/head with a turbo'd daily car.
However - I see what we consider a "daily" car is quite different.
Whats wrong with o rings on stock headgasket? By far proven lol. Honestly most of the high dollar builds use the same method, but of course with forged internals.
And isn't that how internet knowledge is turned into facts? It gets proven in the real world? What else do you base your judgement on? Do you do ALL of the testing on your own, and conclude from there?
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