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M52 or S52 in an E30

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    #32

    Stock E36 328i (M52) baseline vs. same car with M50 manifold, S52 cams, tune, air filter, intake elbow, asc delete, stock exhaust

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    Add headers and exhaust for additional gains.

    The hp/$ quotient is strong

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    • EarlE
      EarlE
      Earl
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      #33

      Oh man...you have me thinking bad thoughts now

      That's over a grand for 40hp though=(

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      • jc43089J
        jc43089J
        jc43089
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        #34

        It is convenient that the heads are no different between m5x and s5x.  So by swapping cams you have the full thing rather than still being limited by smaller ports or other differences.

        Just an FYI early (OBD1) heads have different cam trays and lifters that don't fit the late cams that have the extra balancing material between the lobes.  The profiles are the same between OBD1 and OBD2 but the OBD2 cams are thicker.  Just a heads up, it looks like you aren't considering an M50 anyway but just in case.

        2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
        3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
        '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

        '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

        '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
        '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
        '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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        • B
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          #35

          Yep, M52 or bust. They are newer than an M50, more powerful than an M50, and basically the same price. $1000 for 40 whp is easy to deal with when you are already doing an OBD1 build and have to buy the tune and manifold anyways.

          The Supersprint replica headers I bought were $87 shipped, new. Tune was $200, manifold was $75, cams were $400

          Just need to pick up the M52 now

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          • GunMetalGreyG
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            GunMetalGrey
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            #36

            Snap said:

            The Supersprint replica headers I bought were $87 shipped, new. Tune was $200, manifold was $75, cams were $400

            Wow, the prices on those sure went up!

            ...

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              #37

              I think the cheapest I have ever found them was $250 but yes, the ///MPower tax is becoming an epidemic. Now i just have to keep from breaking them [emoji58]

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              • jc43089J
                jc43089J
                jc43089
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                #38

                It's a 2 person job to remove/install them.  One to hold the cam with a wrench so it doesn't turn and another to tighten the cap where the pressure is.  Then you can put all of the other caps on before releasing it from turning, assuming you don't have the fancy cam tool.  I have done it with no special tools one time and would try it again but be careful.  Or maybe I am way more careful than I need to be.

                2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #39

                  I have A fancy cam tool

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                  • jc43089J
                    jc43089J
                    jc43089
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #40

                    Snap said:

                    I have A fancy cam tool

                    The blocks for locking the squares?  Or the cam installation tool?

                    2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                    3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                    '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                    '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                    '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                    '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                    '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                    • B
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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #41

                      Oh jeez, there are more tools required ?!?🤦🏻‍♂️

                      Doing some reading

                      http://www.pelicanparts.com/BMW/techarticles/E36-Camshaft-Removal/E36-camshaft-removal.htm

                      And now I understand your 2-person method. Thanks for mentioning that. Now I am trying to understand how the procedure described in the pelican article would even work with the head installed since they are moving the cams in a different position than TDC... (reading continues)

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                      • EarlE
                        EarlE
                        Earl
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                        #42

                        I almost bought a set of s52 cams for $150...guess I should have done it. 

                        While reading up on proper removal/instal l I see a guy over on R3V that broke one and ended up getting a single intake cam for $350 as it was the best deal they could find.

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                        • jc43089J
                          jc43089J
                          jc43089
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                          #43

                          Just don't have the bottom end at TDC and you can spin the cams all you want. There is only a small window where they would collide. You don't need tools for any of it. Just a straightedge to set the cams square with each other, easy peasy. When it's time to do it's can walk you through it.

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                          2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                          3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                          '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                          '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                          '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                          '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                          '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                            #44

                            So time the cams with the cams at TDC and the timing chains removed and the engine 45 deg off TDC. Then rotate engine back to TDC and attach chains. This is my interpretation

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                              Daggerty
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                              #45

                              There is a guy on YouTube that has a video with all the information you need, step by step walk through cams won't break unless you are a complete idiot. I did the install by myself.

                              i think it's called like m5x headgasket something or another.

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                                Daggerty
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                                #46

                                Also if you take a Chanel lock apart and use the piece with the top jaw, you can use that to turn the exhaust cam sprocket like the vanos removal tool. Or how I did it my first time with no special tools just using a box wrench to loosen the intake cam sprocket nuts to turn it.

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                                • jc43089J
                                  jc43089J
                                  jc43089
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #47

                                  Snap said:

                                  So time the cams with the cams at TDC and the timing chains removed and the engine 45 deg off TDC. Then rotate engine back to TDC and attach chains. This is my interpretation

                                  Exactly.

                                  2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                                  3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                                  '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                                  '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                                  '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                                  '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                                  '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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