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EV1 vs EV6 Injectors for OBD1 m50

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  • B
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    #2

    The plastic body EV6 19# injectors are good stuff. Keep in mind that the 17# injector rating for your M50 injectors is at 3.5 BAR

    If you drop down to a 3.0 bar FPR (or adjustable FPR) the 19# injectors will flow 17.5# which will work fine with your stock tune.

    The MarkD chip for Motronic 1.3 is for 17# OR 19# injectors. I used them both. It was not a problem for the ECU to adapt to the larger injectors and whatever difference in injector characteristics (latency, voltage/flow change etc) was not an issue at all.
     

    19# injectors would flow 20.5# at 3.5 bar and I think you would have some problems there.

    if you want to leave the FPR stock, email Jay over at Sssquid tuning. He would probably be able to make a tune for you.

    http://sssquid.com/

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    • jc43089J
      jc43089J
      jc43089
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      #3

      Good info, I hadn't thought of modifying fuel pressure.  I'm a little confused, aren't the 19lb injectors 19lb/hr at 3.5bar?  Why do you say 20.5 at 3.5 bar?

      2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
      3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
      '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

      '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

      '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
      '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
      '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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      • jc43089J
        jc43089J
        jc43089
        wrote on last edited by
        #4

        Ahh I see that the orange 19lb ford injectors are rated at 3 bar.

        2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
        3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
        '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

        '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

        '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
        '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
        '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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        • jc43089J
          jc43089J
          jc43089
          wrote on last edited by
          #5

          I have been searching and what I have found is Bosch 0280155771 is an ev6 injector rated at 17lb/hr @ 3bar.  

          According to a calculator here http://www.fuelinjector.citymaker.com/Fuel_Injector_Flow_Rates.html the flow rate at 3.5 bar is 18.36lb/hr.  Do you think a .86 lb/hr difference is in the range that the ECU can adapt for?  I would think so but have no experience messing with injector sizes.  I would guess that it is going to be better than the injectors I have that are nearing 300k miles...

          2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
          3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
          '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

          '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

          '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
          '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
          '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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          • B
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            wrote on last edited by
            #6

            Id run Bosch 0280155746

            Going by gut feel I would expect the 0.86lb/hr difference to be no big deal

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            • jc43089J
              jc43089J
              jc43089
              wrote on last edited by
              #7

              0280155746 is a 19lb orange one.  calculates to 20.5 at 3.5 bar

              0280155771  is a 17lb @3bar. Kindof a cream color, my calculation is 18.36 at 3.5 bar

              Why would I use the 19lb?  I would rather not swap the FPR if I don't have to.

              2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
              3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
              '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

              '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

              '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
              '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
              '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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              • B
                B
                B C
                wrote on last edited by
                #8

                Sorry, my brain operates on 3 BAR.

                Carry on

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                • jc43089J
                  jc43089J
                  jc43089
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #9

                  Ok, I will report back with results.  Also should I buy new ones or a flow matched set from Ebay?

                  2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                  3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                  '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                  '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                  '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                  '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                  '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                  • B
                    B
                    B C
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #10

                    If you get new ones, make sure they arent counterfeits. The 42# Bosch "Green Giant" counterfeits run rampant on ebay

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                    • jc43089J
                      jc43089J
                      jc43089
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #11

                      Ordered a set of OE refurbished/matched set claiming to be within 2%.  We shall see.  It was only 65 bucks.  It seems to be a not very common injector, used in Ford Contours/Mystique with 2.5l SVT engine from 1998-2000, and Cougars in 1999.  No wonder it was hard to find a part number.  I'd rather not do a tune now, I already have a Dinan chip and this coupe is mostly a beater.  I would like to experiment and see how the gen3 design performs.  It would be great to know of a drop in upgrade.  People use m50 injectors in m20 engines too so this might be a good option for them too.

                      2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                      3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                      '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                      '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                      '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                      '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                      '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                      • EarlE
                        EarlE
                        Earl
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #12

                        Do m50's and m52's use the same injectors?

                        museum sig 2earl.jpg

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                        • jc43089J
                          jc43089J
                          jc43089
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #13

                          No, I think m52/s52 uses the pinktops.  I think 21.5lb/hr but not sure at what pressure.

                          2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                          3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                          '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                          '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                          '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                          '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                          '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                          • EarlE
                            EarlE
                            Earl
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #14

                            It looks like " The rating at 3.5 bar (50.75 psi) (e36) is 23.8. "

                            https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?417171-NE1-know-flow-rate-on-stock-M52-injectors

                            museum sig 2earl.jpg

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                            • jc43089J
                              jc43089J
                              jc43089
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #15

                              Installed last night.  I reset the computer so it is still adapting, it runs great, starts quicker and seems smooth.  I don't know how much is due to these injectors being freshly refurbished vs my old ones that may be original with a zillion miles on them and also sat for at least 5 years recently.

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                              2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                              3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                              '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                              '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                              '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                              '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                              '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                              • B
                                B
                                B C
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #16

                                Glad to hear a positive report, i noticed crisper throttle response and slightly better mileage, there is no knowing for sure how much is attributed to dirty vs clean injectors like you said, but more modern design and better atomization is sure to benefit things

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                                • jc43089J
                                  jc43089J
                                  jc43089
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #17

                                  Yes, I will be monitoring fuel mileage.  It is pretty wild to see the difference in spray on some of the youtube videos that do side by side.

                                  2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
                                  3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
                                  '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

                                  '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

                                  '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
                                  '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
                                  '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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                                  • EarlE
                                    EarlE
                                    Earl
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #18

                                    I might need to throw a set of injectors in my coupe then=) How much were these and what ones do you think would suits the m52?

                                    museum sig 2earl.jpg

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