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BMW discontinues S engine desigation

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  • R
    R
    REKIII
    wrote on last edited by
    #2

    They've already watered down the M brand to an unacceptable degree.  This makes no difference to me.

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    • wasnt m3W
      wasnt m3W
      wasnt m3
      wrote on last edited by
      #3

      I was over it before the news came about.

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      • m42b32M
        m42b32M
        m42b32
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        #4

        Honestly, I like the fact that my M3 has a worked over M52. Yeah, its not nearly as good as a bespoke M engine like s50b32 or the s54, but sharing parts with non-m cars makes it a much more viable daily driver because replacement parts are comparatively inexpensive and readily available. BUT, if I had the big bucks and I wanted to buy a modern M car, I would prefer that it had something a bit more special than a few factory bolt-ons.

        1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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        • YoungCRY
          YoungCRY
          YoungCR
          wrote on last edited by
          #5

          I agree, they should be worth the inflated price you pay for a M car these days. Otherwise its no big deal, The original M motors, M90 and M88/1, didn't have S designations.

          Chris Young
          BMWCCA #458972
          1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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          • B
            B
            B C
            wrote on last edited by
            #6

            I dont care because BMW doesnt create a product that stands out as dominantly as it had in the past. BMW isnt getting worse, the competition is just getting a lot better.

            Very few people will see the value and reasoning behind buying an M3/M4 over a 335i/340i with bolt-ons. The "lesser" N5X is just THAT GOOD to where im not craving the top of the line engine offering.

            "But the M cars are better on track"

            Im sure they are, but until I have an insane amount of money, I have to stay with options that are cheap, simple, and easy to repair.

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            • patsbimmer1P
              patsbimmer1P
              patsbimmer1
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              #7

              To me, the M brand is still aspirational.  If I had the money to choose between my current car and an equal year/mileage M3 I would choose the M3 all day long and it's got nothing to do with the engine designation starting with an S.  I don't think this "waters down" the M brand any further, nobody would accuse an R8 of being watered down even though the 4.2 is based on the A8 engine.

              BMW can go ahead and base their motorsport engines on their more peasant cars.  I think it's great that they can take an N55 and do some magic then we have the new M2 engine!  The guys that are complaining that their $70k+ M car doesn't have a bespoke engine is the same bag of dicks that only own it as a status symbol anyways.

              2011 e90 M3 - DCT, Borla exhaust, BMW Performance Black Grille, ECS Painted Corners, Ziza Angel Eyes

              07 335i Stella - sport package, BMS DCI, zhp knob, TMS cf parking brake lever, VRSF downpipes, MHD tune, H&R race springs, other stuff *SOLD*

              97 328i Lola - sport package, m50 intake manifold, m50 manifold.com install kit, custom CAI, K&N filter, Borla exhaust, FK silverline coilovers, 25.5mm front sway bar, Powerflex front sway bushings, Turner Radiator, fan delete *sold*
              95 325is *sold*
              93 nissan 240sx KA-T *sold*

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              AKA- HALLWAY PAT

              "burnouts bring babes and babes dont have time for bushings" - Kaiser Rolls

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              • i_love_carsI
                i_love_carsI
                i_love_cars
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                #8

                i haven't bothered to look, but I'm sure there are a ton of shitfucks crying on BMW forums everywhere about this change. This is expected behavior from people who do not understand that they don't have any actual problems in their lives. It's like all the people who were protesting/up in arms against the legalization of gay marriage - the world has REAL problems to deal with like bombs going off on buses, starvation, shortages of drinking water, and general scarcity......and yet you're spending effort to protest gay marriage. 

                This is like that only it's a bunch of affluent shitfucks who are elitist pricks that give the rest of us BMW drivers a bad reputation. 

                I will drive any BMW that gives me an engaging driving experience the way I expect it to produce for me.

                IMG6593.jpg

                2011 E92 M3 6MT ZCP - ESS 625 supercharged
                2007 Z4MR 
                2003 E39 M5
                2002 E46 M3
                2021 X5 40i

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                • patsbimmer1P
                  patsbimmer1P
                  patsbimmer1
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #9

                  Theres that word again, shitfucks.  Gets me every time.

                  i_love_cars said:

                  i haven't bothered to look, but I'm sure there are a ton of shitfucks crying on BMW forums everywhere about this change. This is expected behavior from people who do not understand that they don't have any actual problems in their lives. It's like all the people who were protesting/up in arms against the legalization of gay marriage - the world has REAL problems to deal with like bombs going off on buses, starvation, shortages of drinking water, and general scarcity......and yet you're spending effort to protest gay marriage. 

                  This is like that only it's a bunch of affluent shitfucks who are elitist pricks that give the rest of us BMW drivers a bad reputation. 

                  I will drive any BMW that gives me an engaging driving experience the way I expect it to produce for me

                  2011 e90 M3 - DCT, Borla exhaust, BMW Performance Black Grille, ECS Painted Corners, Ziza Angel Eyes

                  07 335i Stella - sport package, BMS DCI, zhp knob, TMS cf parking brake lever, VRSF downpipes, MHD tune, H&R race springs, other stuff *SOLD*

                  97 328i Lola - sport package, m50 intake manifold, m50 manifold.com install kit, custom CAI, K&N filter, Borla exhaust, FK silverline coilovers, 25.5mm front sway bar, Powerflex front sway bushings, Turner Radiator, fan delete *sold*
                  95 325is *sold*
                  93 nissan 240sx KA-T *sold*

                  BMWCCA #473306

                  Instagram @patsbimmer1

                  AKA- HALLWAY PAT

                  "burnouts bring babes and babes dont have time for bushings" - Kaiser Rolls

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                  • straight6pwrS
                    straight6pwrS
                    straight6pwr
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #10

                    i_love_cars said:

                    I will drive any BMW that gives me an engaging driving experience the way I expect it to produce for me. 

                    this. ///m engines have always been cool, but the driving experience of the next model down is always still really good!

                    Dan
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                    • EarlE
                      EarlE
                      Earl
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                      #11

                      As long as it rage drifts, no fucks are given

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                      • i_love_carsI
                        i_love_carsI
                        i_love_cars
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                        #12

                        Earl said:

                        As long as it rage drifts, no fucks are given 

                        welded diff bro. hoosiers bro. rage drifting into curbs at C&C bro.

                        IMG6593.jpg

                        2011 E92 M3 6MT ZCP - ESS 625 supercharged
                        2007 Z4MR 
                        2003 E39 M5
                        2002 E46 M3
                        2021 X5 40i

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                        • B
                          B
                          B C
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #13

                          i_love_cars said:

                          welded diff bro. hoosiers bro. rage drifting into curbs at C&C bro. 

                          This wouldnt have happened if the engine code was N55

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                          • patsbimmer1P
                            patsbimmer1P
                            patsbimmer1
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #14

                            i_love_cars said:

                            welded diff bro. hoosiers bro. rage drifting into curbs at C&C bro. 

                            Hoosiers?  Nah bro, all about dem Nankangs!

                            2011 e90 M3 - DCT, Borla exhaust, BMW Performance Black Grille, ECS Painted Corners, Ziza Angel Eyes

                            07 335i Stella - sport package, BMS DCI, zhp knob, TMS cf parking brake lever, VRSF downpipes, MHD tune, H&R race springs, other stuff *SOLD*

                            97 328i Lola - sport package, m50 intake manifold, m50 manifold.com install kit, custom CAI, K&N filter, Borla exhaust, FK silverline coilovers, 25.5mm front sway bar, Powerflex front sway bushings, Turner Radiator, fan delete *sold*
                            95 325is *sold*
                            93 nissan 240sx KA-T *sold*

                            BMWCCA #473306

                            Instagram @patsbimmer1

                            AKA- HALLWAY PAT

                            "burnouts bring babes and babes dont have time for bushings" - Kaiser Rolls

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                            • R
                              R
                              REKIII
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #15

                              patsbimmer1 said:

                              To me, the M brand is still aspirational.  If I had the money to choose between my current car and an equal year/mileage M3 I would choose the M3 all day long and it's got nothing to do with the engine designation starting with an S.  I don't think this "waters down" the M brand any further, nobody would accuse an R8 of being watered down even though the 4.2 is based on the A8 engine.

                              BMW can go ahead and base their motorsport engines on their more peasant cars.  I think it's great that they can take an N55 and do some magic then we have the new M2 engine!  The guys that are complaining that their $70k+ M car doesn't have a bespoke engine is the same bag of dicks that only own it as a status symbol anyways.

                              Not really.  M is now just a glorified trim package.  If BMW made a minivan, there would be an M version.  People only want the badge.  Granted, the widebody packages and what not look cool, so, like you, I would also like an M version.  But I'm not buying it because of the engine, just looks and the badge.

                              And the R8 IS watered down if it has the 4.2 in it .  They only build that car so they can sell it cheaper than the 5.2, again to people who just want the status symbol.

                              You could say that the lower level cars have gotten that much better, but that again means BMW has not been doing there job, the M cars should stay 'that' much better as well.  Instead they are gigantic boat anchors that have huge horsepower numbers and more electronic nannies than a prison ankle bracelet.

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                              • YoungCRY
                                YoungCRY
                                YoungCR
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #16

                                Best Partners Ever BMW and McLaren Will Work on Engines Together

                                kinda related, my first thought was this may lead to what's next for the ///M motors as well as Mclaren's future power plants too.

                                Chris Young
                                BMWCCA #458972
                                1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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                                • B
                                  B
                                  B C
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                                  #17

                                  My guess is hybrid powertrains will be the focus of their efforts.

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                                  • patsbimmer1P
                                    patsbimmer1P
                                    patsbimmer1
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                                    #18

                                    BMW has already assured the world that there will be an electric M car (http://www.bmwblog.com/2017/01/11/bmw-m-boss-says-electric-m-cars-inevitable/) but BMW has done a bit of their own R&D with electric motors and mass produced carbon fiber so I don't know how much they can gain from Mclaren.  If anything I could see Mclaren gathering information from BMW regarding manufacturing processes.  Who knows if Mclaren plans to remain a boutique manufacturer or enter the realms of mass produced luxury sports cars.  I think a hybrid M is the next step for BMW which makes sense with this partnership but I can't say i'd be surprised if they went straight to electric.

                                    2011 e90 M3 - DCT, Borla exhaust, BMW Performance Black Grille, ECS Painted Corners, Ziza Angel Eyes

                                    07 335i Stella - sport package, BMS DCI, zhp knob, TMS cf parking brake lever, VRSF downpipes, MHD tune, H&R race springs, other stuff *SOLD*

                                    97 328i Lola - sport package, m50 intake manifold, m50 manifold.com install kit, custom CAI, K&N filter, Borla exhaust, FK silverline coilovers, 25.5mm front sway bar, Powerflex front sway bushings, Turner Radiator, fan delete *sold*
                                    95 325is *sold*
                                    93 nissan 240sx KA-T *sold*

                                    BMWCCA #473306

                                    Instagram @patsbimmer1

                                    AKA- HALLWAY PAT

                                    "burnouts bring babes and babes dont have time for bushings" - Kaiser Rolls

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                                    • andyhundleyA
                                      andyhundleyA
                                      andyhundley
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                                      #19

                                      BMW made an electric powered e30 back in the late 80's. I tried hunting for an article on it but came up short.

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                                      • m42b32M
                                        m42b32M
                                        m42b32
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                                        #20

                                        andyhundley said:

                                        BMW made an electric powered e30 back in the late 80's. I tried hunting for an article on it but came up short. 

                                        https://www.wired.com/2012/12/40-years-bmw-evs/ 

                                        This one??

                                        1991 318is, 1991 318i, 2022 Bronco

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                                        • andyhundleyA
                                          andyhundleyA
                                          andyhundley
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                                          Thats the one.

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