i may have to buy an M2
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Get in line. It's going to be just like the 1m. Overpriced. I'm in line at my dealer and will be paying $5k over msrp. Other places are charging as much as $10 over. This will be limited just like the 1m was. So figured I'll get just about all my money back when selling it with 10k miles or less on it.
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This car is not guaranteed to be limited like the 1M. BMW was very clear and official about the fact that the 1M was a special edition limited run car. The M2 has not been branded that way, and your suggestion about targeted limited production does not agree with anything BMW has been doing over that past 2 years - that is introducing 807089890 new models every week. The likely scenario is that this is going to be "limited" only in the sense that it's an enthusiast car, like the M3/M4 which already sell in limited quantities based on demand, and as such it will be "limited" by production demand. That's wildly different than an intentional sub-1000 count run of a special edition car.
As for retail markup, that would not surprise me in the least, however, at this point any dealer you are talking to that claims anything is purely speculative. BMW North America doesn't know or determine anything about production ahead of time.
all that said, I would never buy a brand new bmw, so my plan was to wait and see how they perform and pick one up used - if the production becomes limited to the point that prices don't drop, then I'll say F it and keep my 1er
also in for pics when (hopefully) you get yours delivered
2011 E92 M3 6MT ZCP - ESS 625 supercharged
2007 Z4MR
2003 E39 M5
2002 E46 M3
2021 X5 40i -
still oddly proportioned. better headlights than the 1 series, but thats not saying much!
Dan
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I would guess it's going to have to be starting at the $58-$60k arena. Even at that price your still competing with the starting price of the M3/M4 at $63/$65. A well optioned M235i comes in around $56k right now but that's with the $3500 LSD option which I assume the M2 would have standard.
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leaked article suggests price starts at $51k for a stripper model.
http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1183571
can't wait for the official reveal this evening.
If the info is accurate, I may unable to pass this up. It will likely be hard to get one in 2016. It could end up being similar to the Ford GT350 - they announced it as a 5-year run car, and first year is only 150 units with 5k/yr production through 2020.
Fingers crossed.
2011 E92 M3 6MT ZCP - ESS 625 supercharged
2007 Z4MR
2003 E39 M5
2002 E46 M3
2021 X5 40i -
Im still voting for long beach blue
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there it is. I'm sold. This will replace my 135.
2011 E92 M3 6MT ZCP - ESS 625 supercharged
2007 Z4MR
2003 E39 M5
2002 E46 M3
2021 X5 40i -
Im still voting for long beach blue
Didn't realize red wouldn't be an option so changing my vote to the only interesting color offered...
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yes car bloat is a problem for sure in the auto industry as a whole, but in terms of M division there has been a more holistic improvement in the cars.
as the weight has gone up, so has the braking power, horsepower, and if you've ever seen a modern M chassis right down to the tub, you can see a lot of strength. With a stiffer set of coilovers, I would have 0 concerns about the weight of the M2 and its ability to handle at the track, and it damn sure wouldn't feel sloppy. an M235i is sloppy because it's not an M car. It has shitty soft suspension just like my shitty soft suspension on my 135i. M cars feel tight no matter what.
an e46 M3 CSL goes around the Ring in 7:50. Compared to 7:52 on the M4 and 7:58 on the M2. Think about that. That M3 CSL was 3000 pounds but it was fucking gutted. Utterly gutted. No amenities, just pure driver car. So BMW, for all the weight gain in the M series of recent years, shows the CSL is only a mere 2 seconds faster than it's direct big brother the M4. But that new M4 has driving manners and really nice tech features and better safety features. It doesn't have to sacrifice everything to have a good lap time.
That's called evolution.
BMW M has always been about balance of performance and driving manners. They've never had a mass-production M car that is a purpose-built race car. The E46 CSL was a special vehicle that took some amount of aim at that but was never a household thing. The reason that M has been the gold standard in overall performance for 25 years is because it's a car that does everything very well, with an slight lean towards performance/racing.
2011 E92 M3 6MT ZCP - ESS 625 supercharged
2007 Z4MR
2003 E39 M5
2002 E46 M3
2021 X5 40i -
yes car bloat is a problem for sure in the auto industry as a whole, but in terms of M division there has been a more holistic improvement in the cars.
as the weight has gone up, so has the braking power, horsepower, and if you've ever seen a modern M chassis right down to the tub, you can see a lot of strength. With a stiffer set of coilovers, I would have 0 concerns about the weight of the M2 and its ability to handle at the track, and it damn sure wouldn't feel sloppy. an M235i is sloppy because it's not an M car. It has shitty soft suspension just like my shitty soft suspension on my 135i. M cars feel tight no matter what.
an e46 M3 CSL goes around the Ring in 7:50. Compared to 7:52 on the M4 and 7:58 on the M2. Think about that. That M3 CSL was 3000 pounds but it was fucking gutted. Utterly gutted. No amenities, just pure driver car. So BMW, for all the weight gain in the M series of recent years, shows the CSL is only a mere 2 seconds faster than it's direct big brother the M4. But that new M4 has driving manners and really nice tech features and better safety features. It doesn't have to sacrifice everything to have a good lap time.
That's called evolution.
BMW M has always been about balance of performance and driving manners. They've never had a mass-production M car that is a purpose-built race car. The E46 CSL was a special vehicle that took some amount of aim at that but was never a household thing. The reason that M has been the gold standard in overall performance for 25 years is because it's a car that does everything very well, with an slight lean towards performance/racing.
I present to you, the M4 GTS. Purpose built track demon.
The m1, a homologation special track car.
The e30 m3 evo cars, homolgation special track cars.
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And now back in track...http://jalopnik.com/the-2016-bmw-m2-is-a-365-horsepower-love-letter-to-spee-1736354132
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that little car weighs 3450 lbs? What is this world coming to? Is anything even close to 3000 anymore?
Porsche Caymans are just a shade under and I would assume those Lotus mini-cars are also, everything else performance oriented is ~3500 these days.
Weights never go down with very few exceptions like the new mk(whatever they're up to now) VW GTI which went down a few hundred pounds.
That's the world we live in.
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I present to you, the M4 GTS. Purpose built track demon.
The m1, a homologation special track car.
The e30 m3 evo cars, homolgation special track cars.
did you miss the part where I said they've never had a "MASS-PRODUCTION" purpose-built track car? You are going to tell me those examples you just gave were/are going to be mass-produced as the de-facto standard?
The M3 is the defacto standard, and that has never been sold, advertised, or reviewed as anything other than the perfectly balanced performance machine, with an edge leaning towards track-inspired driving dynamics.
Not the M4 GTS, not the M1, and not any e30 evo.
2011 E92 M3 6MT ZCP - ESS 625 supercharged
2007 Z4MR
2003 E39 M5
2002 E46 M3
2021 X5 40i -
i should mention that I still plan to upgrade the turbo on my 135 in a few months and do some light suspension work. The results of how I feel afterwards will determine if I buy an M2 sooner rather than later.
2011 E92 M3 6MT ZCP - ESS 625 supercharged
2007 Z4MR
2003 E39 M5
2002 E46 M3
2021 X5 40i -
yes car bloat is a problem for sure in the auto industry as a whole, but in terms of M division there has been a more holistic improvement in the cars.
as the weight has gone up, so has the braking power, horsepower, and if you've ever seen a modern M chassis right down to the tub, you can see a lot of strength. With a stiffer set of coilovers, I would have 0 concerns about the weight of the M2 and its ability to handle at the track, and it damn sure wouldn't feel sloppy. an M235i is sloppy because it's not an M car. It has shitty soft suspension just like my shitty soft suspension on my 135i. M cars feel tight no matter what.
an e46 M3 CSL goes around the Ring in 7:50. Compared to 7:52 on the M4 and 7:58 on the M2. Think about that. That M3 CSL was 3000 pounds but it was fucking gutted. Utterly gutted. No amenities, just pure driver car. So BMW, for all the weight gain in the M series of recent years, shows the CSL is only a mere 2 seconds faster than it's direct big brother the M4. But that new M4 has driving manners and really nice tech features and better safety features. It doesn't have to sacrifice everything to have a good lap time.
That's called evolution.
BMW M has always been about balance of performance and driving manners. They've never had a mass-production M car that is a purpose-built race car. The E46 CSL was a special vehicle that took some amount of aim at that but was never a household thing. The reason that M has been the gold standard in overall performance for 25 years is because it's a car that does everything very well, with an slight lean towards performance/racing.
you sound like a PR release as part of the new video. I know all the info you suggested -- that is not the point.
The point I tried to make in fewer words is that it is depressing to see the weight of new cars. Sure, it may be great on track -- for two sessions. Then the brakes overheat, the tires wear out quickly and you wish you could lose another 500lbs fast. That is part of the reason why anyone that tracks even an e46 m3 finds out the hard way after 2 sessions that the factory brakes suck. They are not track brakes and I'm sure neither are these -- despite their catchy blue paint job and fancy piston count!
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