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    Boris3
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    You’ve got a fallback career as an auto journalist. 
     

    That 2002 video review is priceless. Oh the horror... the headlights need to be brighter if you plan on doing 120 at night. I imagine so.

    1990 325i racecar (ITS, former Spec E30); 2004 330i ZHP

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      In 2004 I was preparing to leave the country for some service and missionary work for a couple years. This was a convenient time to get rid of things and start over upon my return.  My friend had owned his '89 325is for a few years and was getting nervous about its reliability and any money he would have to put into it in the near future. Admittedly he ran it hard and didn't maintain it accordingly. He sold his E30 for $6,500 and wanted to get into something cheaper to save money. I sold him my 88 Jetta for $2,000 which he didn't seem to have the greatest luck with and after a few months he sold that and got back into a BMW, admitting the VW was a mistake.  No hard feelings. 
      Here is the only picture I could find of the '88 Jetta Coupe from his Cardomain profile 😄  Digital cameras were not as accessible, nor as good, as they are now. 

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      While I was out of the country, my dad bought his first BMW. It was a 1990 E34 525i (M20) automatic in Bronzit. This car was sold to my uncle, then later my cousin and remained in the family for a few years. 

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      After that he picked up a black E34 535i sport pkg with manual trans and style 5's. Very sharp looking car!  

      Essentially this without the clear signals:

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      As I was nearing my return home from a couple years out of the country, my dad started emailing me about cars. He was a sucker for a clean Japanese car and had picked up a very nice unmolested S14 240SX with 90k miles  just because he couldn't resist. He didn't really have much use for it and offered to sell me either the E34 or the 240SX for cheap once I returned if I so desired. Many years of playing Gran Turismo had polluted my mind and gave me an unconscious bias towards the tuner car. I certainly loved BMWs but I viewed the E34 as a bigger less sporty car with less potential. He held onto the S14 for me until I got home and traded the E34 in towards a truck. Arriving back home stateside was met with excitement, not only to see my family and become reacquainted from things I had left behind, but to own a car again and do car related things.

      Little did I know then, I would regret choosing the S14 over the E34.

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      • KaiserRollsK
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        KaiserRolls
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        Relevant 

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        • jc43089J
          jc43089J
          jc43089
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          I owned an '89 Camaro RS with a TBI 305.  Awful.  Especially with the 700r4 and 2.73 gears.  My Geo Prizm was faster...

          Thanks for the stories!

          2/94 325i Sedan, Arctic Gray: UUC LTW FW, EVO 3 and DSSR, +.020 Maxsil pistons, ASC delete, Eibach shocks/springs, 16" contour reps 238k
          3/93 325i Coupe, Schwarz 2, Sketchy stance action, ebay turbo, 300k
          '89 325i Vert, Alpine White: 5spd swapped, sold.

          '04 Toyota Sienna: 24V to 24V swap in progress

          '05 Volvo V70R, 6spd.  200k
          '85 Toyota LandCruiser: Lifted, gas hog. 205k
          '99 Nissan Maxima: 5spd, Rusty but trusty winter beater. 252k RIP.

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            2006:

            I tried to be cautious while modifying the S14. It was in great shape and hadn't been destroyed by unsavory modifications and criss-crossed zip-tie bumper repairs.

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            This was my first RWD car. I quickly gained an appreciation of how different the performance was from the FWD VWs I was used to. It was a great car, but it was no BMW. its "truck engine" open diff, basic interior, and an awkwardly styled rear end left me regretting not choosing the E34.

            Life started to happen fast. I met my wife, once again liquidated some assets, including the 240SX to help pay for a wedding ring, tuition, and books for my first semester as ai moved to Wisconsin and started college.
            Over the next couple years we were mostly a 1 car household, shared my wife's Beige 2001 Rav4. 

            Like every car guy in college, I was sometimes a little bit distracted while studyIng and would find myself searching cars for sale on a study break and daydreaming about what I might buy once school is over and all the loans are paid off

            By this point in 2007, my opinion of BMW had not changed and it seemed like they were beginning to spice things up and bring some fresh things to the table:

            The M3 had a high revving V8 and a dual clutch transmission. Love it!

            Indicator shifting lights - BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

            The M5 waa a family car with a V10. How cool is that?!

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            The Z4 styling had REALLY grown on me.

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            There was the Hydrogen 7, showing the world that BMW was still trying to be an innovator 

            BMW Hydrogen 7 | The Hydrogen Blog

            There was a twin turbo 1-series which I had always hoped would come stateside as a hatchback, but I will gladly take it. 

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            Wait, now hold on a second.

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            Theres a Nissan GT-R and it's how fast?!? 

            Wow, even the the Rav4 has a V6 and does 0-60 in 6.3 sec! why would you even need that?

            what else is in here...

            The 350z now has a track package with Brembos, an LSD, and 306 hp, not bad!

            The Camaro is back, I thought they killed the Camaro. The Dodge Challenger is coming back too!?

            Hyundai now makes a RWD V8 sedan and their going to make a RWD coupe?

            Some guy named Elon is going to start electrifying a Lotus Elise and sell it to the public, I bet it wont even go 60 miles on a charge.

            Where on earth did all these rear wheel drive cars come from because the last time I checked I was pretty sure RWD was dying off due to consumer choices, packaging, and efficiency and that was part of what made BMW cool. The fact that they were one of the few companies who still made a car with RWD and a manual transmission. 

            Right then and there I was beginning to feel that we were on the cusp of an automotive renaissance. V6 engines with 300hp and more were showing up in ordinary cars. Electric cars, hydrogen cars, hybrid cars, RWD cars, crazy CVT and dual clutch transmissions, lots of cars coming with all-wheel drive as an option. 400hp is the new 300hp for V8s, old nameplates being revived from the dead and more!

            2008-2009, in my opinion, marked the start of something big in the auto industry. After the 2008 economic downturn, domestic automakers were forced to trim the fat and re-strategize. It almost seems that an industry-wide ass whoopin' had taken place in the which new management and executives were under fervent pressure to deliver to shareholders and to find a way to end any malaise that had been lingering.

            The big 3 started to suck a lot less. Hyundai/Kia was nipping at the heels of Japanese automakers and really began digging into their market share. And then there were ze Germans.

            What the hell was going on in Germany?!? New models of BMW, Audi and Mercedes were being created, seemingly out of thin air to fill gaps in the model range that people really weren't even aware existed and mostly didn't care.

            Audi:  Sup. 

            BMW: um, yeah?

            Audi: We just made a 2 door version of our 4 door car. Check it.

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            BMW: No problem, we’ll just call our 2 door 3-Series; a 4 series. And while we are at it halte mein bier...  How about a 4 door version of the 2 door version of our 4 door car called a “gran coupe"

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            MB: We made a van, lol. 

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            Audi: wtf, why?!?

            BMW: LMAO

            MB: Fine, We will bring bigger van to America and dominate sales. HA HA! You do not have a van.

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            BMW: Right, haven't you heard? The people do not like vans,  they want crossovers. But why give them crossovers when you can give them.... Sport Activity Vehicle! *mic drop*

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            MB: That's not even hard to do.

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            Audi: Those all look awful.... try again.

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            BMW:  (lets see if they'll take the bait)  UNCLE BENZ! WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS???

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            ***PORSCHE HAS ENTERED THE CHAT***

            PORSCHE: Sup f***ers

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            Audi: This is getting too weird. Im out.

            BMW: I need to go see how Lexus is doing, i’ll be back later.
             

            MB: Hey Bim, I heard some of your guys were interviewing at Hyundai, you might want to check on that too, lol.

            ***AUDI HAS LEFT THE CHAT***

            ***BMW HAS LEFT THE CHAT***

            ***MB HAS LEFT THE CHAT***

            Porsche: l bet you can’t guess where we put the engine on this one!

            guys?....

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              While the Germans were busy adding more turbos, more cylinders,  and more obscure nonsensical models to their lineups, the rest of the automotive world was advancing rapidly on normal products. We have come out on the other side of this whirlwind with an insanely level playing field like we have never seen before. There is ALMOST no such thing as a bad new car. There are no Hyundai Pony, Yugo GV, Ford Fiesta.... wait.  There is a Ford Fiesta. and it comes in "ST" flavor with a turbo and people actually really like them. 
              The bottom line is. There are A LOT of very good cars today. All of them are heavier, quieter, safer, and more numb than what we grew up with and thats what we want in our daily drivers/ family haulers. But where are the soul-stirring RWD, manual sport sedans that gave BMW their legendary reputation?

              I look to the M2 Competition, the F80 M3/M4, perhaps even the M240i on the cheaper end of the spectrum and fragments of the pure E30, E36, and E46 that came before. You read reviews of them about how magnificent they are, perhaps lacking some steering feel, or rawness, but overall how they are very serious performance cars. You don't necessarily need to buy the biggest baddest fastest version of a car to enjoy driving it, or to be an enthusiast, but most normal people I know simply cannot and simply should not try to afford these newer performance versions of the cars. The F80 M3 starting price was in the upper 60's and can easily get up to $80k out the door. Again, the average enthusiast is not going to be able to afford these new, but how can you feel good about driving an $80k car hard and risking putting it into a ditch, or into the wall on track. It makes me nervous at least. So then what is the point of owning such a car if its too expensive, too fast, too difficult to repair, and doesn't really get used? There is entirely too much performance in many new cars for street use to where you might start to justify saving a load of money and "just getting an F30 328i 2.0t". After all,  for a MUCH more reasonable price, you can get:

              -RWD - 242hp Turbocharged engine - M-sport aesthetic options - All the comfort and technology anybody really needs - Near 50/50 weight distribution -

              All a very nice start to the classic BMW formula. But then comes the list of counterpoints:

              Sure, it's RWD, but it has an open diff. You may as well get the AWD model to help out with adverse weather and just use the "X Delete" app to make it RWD with an open diff again when you want it.

              -Both the 2.0T and the 3.0T engines are a gem, but the newer generations of BMW engines are still littered with stupid problems that really shouldn't have to exist anymore. 

              -The balance between comfort and cornering grip in the new chassis is stellar, but there is very little sensation of speed and the "feel" is different. Different is not always bad, but it is different. 

              -The automatic transmissions are getting so good that you should really just get an automatic. This is because you are getting older and since you aren't going to track the car and are getting an x-drive to make things more practical, you may as well just seal the deal with an automatic. 

              When you start to be realistic about current day BMW ownership from the vantagepoint of a more basic 3-series, You have to accept the reality that you might be better off getting a Honda Accord Sport. The playing field might just be that level when you aren't targeting a new ///M car.

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                The year was 2020. It was an unseasonably warm November evening, just after sundown on the outskirts of Milwaukee. I hopped into my E46 M3 with my 9 year old daughter who pleaded with me to go for one last drive in it before putting it away for the winter.  On our drive we passed some dealerships and I decided to take a quick look at what was on the lot. As we walked towards the new car section of the local BMW dealership. It was dark enough that the parking lot was illuminated but still easy enough to see a new G22 chassis code 440i x-drive with its controversial front grille. I took a look around the car to see if the polarizing style would be better from different angles and wondered if within time I would get used to it and realize that perhaps BMW was brilliant and ahead of their time, but I just wasn't seeing it.  

                Parked next to the 440i was a new fwd-based 228i listed for $45k and scoffed at both the price tag and how small the interior was, immediately thinking about who might buy such an expensive and impractical car. I kept walking expecting to see some kind of M-sport model that would catch my attention that perhaps I could look forward to owning sometime in the next 10 years. 

                My daughter shares a sliver of my BMW enthusiasm. With her curious excitement, she asked me which of all these new BMWs I would pick. As I paused and looked around, taking her question fairly seriously,  I glanced at the 4-series, a row of 2-series, some more basic 330's. 

                "None of them. I honestly would not pick any of them.”

                 In that peculiar moment I was surprised by my own response.

                Once upon a time in Salt Lake City I was a 9 year old boy in the parking lot of an Acura dealership, struck with awe at a single car that captured my attention and completely changed my perception of a brand. Today, I am struck with awe that I cannot find a single car that captures my attention on the BMW lot. 

                Once upon a time in Munich, the Ultimate Driving Machine was not so hard to identify.
                 

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                END

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                • SteelBlueS
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                  You get a publishing deal for this novel?

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                  • YoungCRY
                    YoungCRY
                    YoungCR
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                    SteelBlue said:

                    You get a publishing deal for this novel?

                    I'm still working on reading through this as well but I was gonna say this is a hefty jalopnik column

                    Chris Young
                    BMWCCA #458972
                    1986 528e/5  | 1994 530i/5 | 1995 540i/6 | 2013 X5 35d | 1998 C1500 Suburban | 1995 K2500 Suburban

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                    • JdesignJ
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                      YoungCR said:

                      I'm still working on reading through this as well but I was gonna say this is a hefty jalopnik column

                      I second this motion. 

                      Its crazy to think how much development and change has happened just to get where we are today. Oddly new cars do very little for me, which I am unsure if its me getting old, or its just the industry morphing into something that I no longer find appealing.

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                        Jdesign said:

                        I second this motion. 

                        Its crazy to think how much development and change has happened just to get where we are today. Oddly new cars do very little for me, which I am unsure if its me getting old, or its just the industry morphing into something that I no longer find appealing.

                        Objectively they are most certainly better, but I know what you mean. I hardly pay attention to new cars coming out and within 4-5 years they start showing up on my radar more when they hit the used market and how they hold up is better known

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                        • HipMFH
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                          B C said:

                          Objectively they are most certainly better, but I know what you mean.

                          I could spend a lot of time riffing on this sentiment...

                          We've lost our way. We've traded in the arts and humanities in favor of STEM and systems analysis. We're caught in the middle between what we feel and what we know, all the while knowing and feeling that what we're doing is not sustainable. Admitting to any of this is to admit that we are wrong and that we've made a mistake. That's too much for most people to deal with, especially since giving up on what we know leaves us in an uncomfortable place of uncertainty. So we continue on, searching for a more logical solution, thinking that somehow going farther down the path that we're on will somehow replace the things we love that we've lost and left behind.

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                          • patsbimmer1P
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                            I would totally subscribe to your Xanga.

                            2011 e90 M3 - DCT, Borla exhaust, BMW Performance Black Grille, ECS Painted Corners, Ziza Angel Eyes

                            07 335i Stella - sport package, BMS DCI, zhp knob, TMS cf parking brake lever, VRSF downpipes, MHD tune, H&R race springs, other stuff *SOLD*

                            97 328i Lola - sport package, m50 intake manifold, m50 manifold.com install kit, custom CAI, K&N filter, Borla exhaust, FK silverline coilovers, 25.5mm front sway bar, Powerflex front sway bushings, Turner Radiator, fan delete *sold*
                            95 325is *sold*
                            93 nissan 240sx KA-T *sold*

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                              Good story; good read. I keep hoping BMW is going to do one of these retro kicks like the big three have done recently. I'll take a 2025 e30 M3 :). Never gonna happen.

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                                Its the only thing that has kept Chrysler relevant. I’d even love a Singer 911 type modern tribute of a 2002 or E30.

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